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covid and the 2020 census-
« on: January 12 2021, 10:44:58 AM »
There are federal penalties for misrepresentin g the census numbers. Less ability to play with the numbers. The references are at the bottom of the attachment.

"If we ignore the cause of death, the number of deaths in 2020 would appear to be about 12% above 2019-for the United States.  Ignoring the cause of death tends to address the claims of the doubters that the death rate is normal because people die of the flu every year or the numbers are inflated because someone fell off the ladder and was put down as a covid death initially before being corrected."

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Re: covid and the 2020 census-
« Reply #1 on: January 12 2021, 11:40:51 AM »
here are the actual numbers for the past 52 weeks from the actual CDC site.  https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm

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« Reply #2 on: January 14 2021, 09:00:04 AM »
Steve, the reason I quoted you to begin, I realized you had run the numbers. As have I. A number of things about the census are certainly true.
-There is no statistical difference in fatalities from all causes, between 2020 and the previous 9 years. Just an 0.6-0.7% increase in population on average.
-The difference between total deaths in 019 vs 020 is less than the average difference between the other consecutive years.
-If you subtract the 350k covid deaths, you have a larger anomaly in total deaths. A 'black swan event' spanning decades.
-If covid is 12% of all deaths, that is 1 of every 8. A large number of people would have first hand knowledge of at least one covid death. Not the 2nd and 3rd hand accounts I was personally limited to.

The answer-bogus numbers and a bogus brand new way of counting them.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/94-covid-deaths-had-conditions-110155254.html
https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/new-cdc-report-shows-94-of-covid-19-deaths-in-us-had-underlying-medical-conditions/
As the average age of covid fatalities (80+) exceeds the average life expectancy (78), I will add it.
2.6 average co-morbidities+death from old age+covid equals 4.6 things average resulting in the 350k deaths Obviously, all were counted as covid.

Why? To get direct payments to providers from the Feds though the CARE Act. Widely reported to be $5k-$39k per patient hospitalized. I have no reference for the last single statement.
How? Bogus testing. PCR and RT-PCR tests. Polymerase Chain Reaction tests.
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« Reply #3 on: January 14 2021, 11:21:36 AM »
12% is the increase of deaths over the prior year...include s all forms of death.  Nowhere did it claim covid was killing 12% of the population. Covid kills all year long and not mainly in the "flu season" hence the death rate in general has gone up 12% in comparison to prior years.
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« Reply #4 on: January 14 2021, 11:31:28 AM »
Another thought, to my knowledge the 2020 census has not been released officially.  But, ignoring that, I don't know what it really has to do with Covid per se.  Death certificates to death certificates are what my numbers from the CDC refer to and it will be a few more weeks before that becomes a bit more definitive due to the usual  civil servant messing around that always drags things out.
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« Reply #5 on: January 15 2021, 11:37:01 AM »
12% is the increase of deaths over the prior year...include s all forms of death.  Nowhere did it claim covid was killing 12% of the population. Covid kills all year long and not mainly in the "flu season" hence the death rate in general has gone up 12% in comparison to prior years.
Uh-huh, you are now caught where I was. There is no increase in deaths from all causes. There is no statistical difference up or down, in the last decade. None.
To make it worse, starting in April 2020, I checked total deaths per month until November in comparison to the same month in the previous 5 yrs. No statistical difference. There was no pandemic except in the apparently bogus covid numbers. Probably, the reason for HR 6435.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6435
There is an incredible media blackout, but I will eventually find the text. As a guess, it will probably limit liability for politicians, state and local governments. Dunno.

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« Reply #6 on: January 15 2021, 11:41:43 AM »
Another thought, to my knowledge the 2020 census has not been released officially.  But, ignoring that, I don't know what it really has to do with Covid per se.  Death certificates to death certificates are what my numbers from the CDC refer to and it will be a few more weeks before that becomes a bit more definitive due to the usual  civil servant messing around that always drags things out.
The census became available to all 12/31/2020. The census death and birth numbers, by federal law, are the most accurate numbers.

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« Reply #7 on: January 15 2021, 12:07:13 PM »
What does 100% apple juice, Coca-Cola, the fleshy part of some fruits, paw paws, have in common?
Answer-they will all test positive for covid using a PCR or RT-PCR test.
https://twitter.com/SebRoss4/status/1323986287607631872

A rather long video, but it has an interview with the now deceased inventor of PCR tests. PCR tests were designed to find people who would then be blood tested for HIV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ny9nNFHQsY&feature=youtu.be

Without PCR testing, they could not have sold this 'pandemic' to anyone. At 45 cycles, there 97+% false positives. At 30 cycles, there is 50+% false positives. The last study (about 2wks ago), a well know eastern US college got 300 students that were asymptomatic, PCR positive for covid. They were retested using the other 2 types of tests. The PCR tests were found to be 100% false positive.

I can furnish links to probably a dozen such studies over the last 8 mos. Identical results.

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« Reply #8 on: January 15 2021, 01:00:18 PM »
 As of December 15, no actual date had been set for the actual release due to both the Covid delays and Trump's complaints about the census.  Here is another article dated 12/31/2020 on the matter.

Again, however, I fail to understand the relevancy of the census to the increase in deaths from 2019 to 2020.  The Census is for a ten year period and the CDC does not use it for it's death numbers.  The CDC uses the number of deaths reported via death records.  The Census is another diversion in the discussion and is not germane to Covid.
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« Reply #9 on: January 15 2021, 01:02:51 PM »
Quote from: wmsonta
Quote from: Steve Wood on January 14 2021, 10:21:36 AM12% is the increase of deaths over the prior year...include s all forms of death.  Nowhere did it claim covid was killing 12% of the population. Covid kills all year long and not mainly in the "flu season" hence the death rate in general has gone up 12% in comparison to prior years.Uh-huh, you are now caught where I was. There is no increase in deaths from all causes. There is no statistical difference up or down, in the last decade. None.
To make it worse, starting in April 2020, I checked total deaths per month until November in comparison to the same month in the previous 5 yrs. No statistical difference. There was no pandemic except in the apparently bogus covid numbers. Probably, the reason for HR 6435.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6435
There is an incredible media blackout, but I will eventually find the text. As a guess, it will probably limit liability for politicians, state and local governments. Dunno.
No, I am not caught up where you were.  The CDC numbers and I do not agree at all with your beliefs.  
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