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notes on Tesla 3
« on: April 01 2016, 01:17:48 PM »
”The Model 3 is not going to be the game-changing product that rocks the auto industry,” noted Cosmin Laslau, research analyst for Lux Research Inc.

“But it’s going to be the grandfather of a lot of other game-changing products.”

A new study from Lux Research predicts that EVs will finally hit their inflection point in the 2035-2040 timeframe.

Indeed, other automakers are laying plans for similar vehicles. Later this year, General Motors will roll out its all-electric Chevy Bolt, which will
 be priced in the $30,000 range (after credits) and will offer a 200-mile driving range.
 Laslau expects Nissan and possibly Volkswagen to follow suit in the next few years, as well.

The key to the change has been the steady, ongoing development of the lithium-ion battery pack.
 Five years ago, automakers were typically paying between $500/kWh and $600/kWh for finished battery packs with integrated cooling systems.
 Today, the leaders of the industry have driven that number down to a little more than $200/kWh. That means a large 50-kWh pack could cost $10,000 today,
 as opposed to more than $20,000 a few years ago. And the number continues to fall, thanks to new technologies and manufacturing facilities.

Still, the climb to larger sales numbers will not be an easy one for electric vehicles. Today’s EV sales are buoyed by a $7,500 federal tax credit
 and various state credits. But those are expected to gradually expire over the next few years.
 Tesla vehicles, for example, will lose their federal credits when the company sells its 200,000th vehicle, which could happen between 2017 and 2018.


Moreover, EVs aren’t yet available in some important segments of the market. A recent “EV Report Card” issued by Lux Research gave the auto industry
a passing grade in the luxury segment, but gave failing grades to EV efforts in the SUV and large-car categories, along with an “incomplete”
 in the pickup truck category.

 In terms of cost, 200-mile EVs still can’t compete with high-selling intermediate-sized cars such as the Toyota Camry, which starts at about $23,000,
 or with the Ford F-150 pickup truck line, which starts around $26,000, Laslau said.

He added that battery pack costs will need to fall to about $100/kWh before sales numbers really start rising. He expects that to occur by 2025.
 "Until we start to see electric vehicles in the $25,000 to $28,000 range for 200 miles of all-electric range, we will not have a true tipping point,”
 Laslau told us.

The bottom line is that consumers shouldn’t expect cars like the Model 3 to revolutionize the industry by 2020. Much remains to be done, he said.
“The Model 3 is an exceptional product, and no one has done more than Tesla to drive down the costs of the technology. But the risk is that people will
look at it and expect the auto industry to change overnight. And that’s not going to happen.”
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Re: notes on Tesla 3
« Reply #1 on: April 01 2016, 04:45:47 PM »
I can't really get into a car that doesn't have a lumpy idle and the smell of batteries charging just doesn't even compete with the smell of leaded gasoline. I'll stick with my fossil fuel mobile.
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Re: notes on Tesla 3
« Reply #2 on: April 01 2016, 09:43:31 PM »
It is a gadget and appeals to the right demographics.  The question is: Is it sustainable?  Or does it even have to be?
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Re: notes on Tesla 3
« Reply #3 on: April 02 2016, 02:09:44 PM »
When the battery can be charged in the same amount of time that it takes to fill up a tank with gas then I'll start getting interested. Altho, being in my mid 50's I doubt that I will ever buy an electric car.
I did see a pretty cool looking electric drag bike make a pass on TV & that thing was Crazy!
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Re: notes on Tesla 3
« Reply #4 on: April 02 2016, 09:16:34 PM »
My napkin calcs suggest that the cost of KEEPING a healthy battery long term, replacing when worn etc is still as much as gas in a mediocre gas mileage vehicle.

Now the high end cars that run gas and electric when you mash it, that would be a different game.
 
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Re: notes on Tesla 3
« Reply #5 on: April 03 2016, 07:04:48 PM »
The batteries/power supply (hydrogen) will always be the equivelant of the perpetual motion machine as long as financial greed is part of the equation.

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Re: notes on Tesla 3
« Reply #6 on: April 03 2016, 09:46:44 PM »
  From dirt to dirt what is the net impact on the environment of a tesla compared to an efficient gas car?

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