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General Buick Tech / Re: VR1-20/50

« on: August 17 2013, 03:00:07 PM »

there is no need to disconnect the wire...just fill the filter and crank it up.  Should have oil pressure by the time you look at the gauge.

From the sound of it, you bought the wrong car and it went downhill from there.

Make sure that whoever rebuilds the engine has built Buicks and understands that they use Buick clearances and not Chevy clearances.

You told us before that the o2s were high and blms were high which does not make sense because high blms tell us that the computer is adding fuel to make up for a lean  condition while high O2s tell us that the car is rich and should be telling the computer to remove fuel.

You say the converter was plugged solid and that would make it run rich.

In the end, you are new and don't know anything about the cars in general and you don't know anything about this car in particular or what, or who did what to it.  Sounds pretty much like a cluster F to me.  Hopefully you will find someone experienced building buicks to do the engine and someone experienced with the cars to straighten out all the other problems with the car before you start driving it.

I suspect it would be much cheaper to find a good engine to buy than have this one rebuilt but I guess we shall find out sometime down the line.

These cars can be quite reliable to drive but one has to do his part which includes learning how they work and how to know when something is wrong as well as not abusing them beyond their intended limits.

Sorry low O2 I put the wrong word in there High BLMS with LOW o2's my apologies. Also I've done nothing but research after I got this car.. hell I didn't even know how the internals worked on a engine now I cant understand and communicate with you guys on engine internals I knew nothing off last year. I think this project will not only eat up some of my money but will be a very valuable learning tool for me and a big step towards becoming a better trades men. You got to remember I'm 20 years old and this is my second car. And If I do say I'm pretty happy with what I've learnt. The only thing burning me up is how this happened.
Maybe I'm overlooking something maybe there is something easy to fix.. I can only hope and bring the car to someone who can really tell me what's wrong.     

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General Buick Tech / Re: VR1-20/50

« on: August 17 2013, 01:09:57 PM »

never install a dry filte.r
fill it to the top and let it soak in then fill to top again and repeat until it wont take anymore.
then spin it on


copper is usually  bearings  but could also have gold sparkle from copper tec gasket spray used on head gaskets

could have wiped bearings on a dry start up or over rich tune (cylinder wash down and oil dilution)
or from poor assembly clearances , rough cut on crank thrust surface, or converter taking out thrust bearing
 
did the old oil smell like fuel
what converter are you running ?


if you have a roller cam with morel lifters , morel doesn't reccomend using 20-50 due to their tight clearances on the lifter components

Stock converter and yes the car had a fuel smell but it wasn't rich the car had leaned out plugs. Also the cats where plugged solid.

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General Buick Tech / Re: VR1-20/50

« on: August 17 2013, 01:08:25 PM »

I did fill the filter with oil but I didn't disconnect the red wire. I cant see that being a completely dry start as oil has just ran down the whole motor into the pan? I've done millions of oil changes now on my dads trucks and cars and never once have we primed the filters by cranking the motor a few times. As for the motor I'm going to just take my time and rebuild with all the parts I want.. no more guessing.  ARP studs all around and a full roller motor is the goal... Will see what happens. I just wish I could have drove the car for a few years before something this stupid had to happen. And for gods sake at least be able to get on the Gas and have some fun and not worry every two seconds because the guys who built this car did a terrible job...  Time to rewire the whole car and get it back to how it should be.
I'm not going to sell it. That would be a huge waste of cash.
 

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General Buick Tech / Re: VR1-20/50

« on: August 17 2013, 11:51:32 AM »

I don't know do I look like a machinist? My point being is after the oil change the car started to act up.. Maybe it was a rookie mistake on my behalf of not disconnecting the red wire and cranking it a few times.. But live and learn I guess. Will see in the upcoming months once the rebuild is under way what happen.
I don't have the tools to rip into the car or the clearance in my garage as of now so I'm going to have to wait. Rest be assured this issue will get solved one way or another.
 
 

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General Buick Tech / Re: VR1-20/50

« on: August 17 2013, 11:25:27 AM »

Your o2s and blms are in conflict from what your reported above.  Make sure that someone that understands these cars sorts thing out before you take it out after the engine is fixed

I'm going to burn a new chip as well as get brand new injectors 60lb.. as of right now I don't know if the original owner matched the combo up right when he ordered the chip.

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General Buick Tech / Re: VR1-20/50

« on: August 17 2013, 10:51:22 AM »

did you prime the oil filter before you started it after your oil change?and why would you use such a heavy oil for?

The first time I did the oil change I didn't prime the oil filter so that is the one mistake I made. And I heard lots of good things about VR-1 20-50 a lot of guys swear by it. The funny thing is my car still drives perfectly flawless and doesn't make any noise when load is on the car. It's hard to say what happen until I take it apart this winter. I'm going to bring the car to Roger tenant in Port Perry for the machine work.
 

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General Buick Tech / Re: VR1-20/50

« on: August 16 2013, 11:59:41 PM »

I will call you tomorrow , I was out tonight with friends. I have a feeling the motor was put together not to well. A lot of local rumors are circulated in regards to who built my motor . Also in regards to over boosting and running with out scan tools I've never done that shit. I've took nothing but care and respect in regards to this car... I've purchased a powerlogger and I've noticed two things the BLM's are 138 at idle and the 02's are too high to maintain a WOT pull so I've never been able to hold the pedal down pass 3000 RPM
Why cant these cars be nice 
 
I'm wondering if the lifters collapsed. Either way this was not my fault and I agree I think the engine builder was very incompetent 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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General Buick Tech / Re: VR1-20/50

« on: August 16 2013, 09:41:21 PM »

With the VR-1 my idle was about 20 and cursing was steady depending on RPM's I may be wrong but I cant see what else happened after I changed the oil to cause the issue. I've driven myself near mad.. maybe It just happened.   

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General Buick Tech / I was wrong but now we are getting somewhere!

« on: August 16 2013, 06:00:12 PM »

I don't know how or why but this stuff destroyed my car. The engine is toast needs a rebuild. Never going to use that shiza again. I went over everything I've done to my car the only reason it started that noise was the 20-50 oil change that so many have used. Maybe a fresh motor is to tight for that oil? either way it did something.

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General Buick Tech / Re: Freshen up a motor

« on: August 15 2013, 04:21:51 PM »

Did you ever end up cutting the oil filter open? Or were you just looking at the oil in the drain bucket?

I cut it open and it didn't seem to have anything wrong with the filter its self ... very strange next step is drop the oil pan tomorrow or this weekend.

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General Buick Tech / Re: Freshen up a motor

« on: August 14 2013, 10:43:31 PM »

It wasn't the oil pan its self just a black oil drain bucket that I use for oil changes. I cleaned it out pretty good before I used it. But I think dust from the vacuum that floats in my garage floated down into the oil pan. because my car always has a coat of dust on it that I clean off the car every day. it was very very fine sand like material in the bucket so its hard to say.
I'm going to drop the oil pan this weekend and see what I find.. If she's hurting I will be pulling it all apart and making the car brand new again. A part of me wants this project to happen but the other part says ....that's a lot of money... hahah ohh well I love the car to much.
 
   

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General Buick Tech / Re: Freshen up a motor

« on: August 14 2013, 03:19:28 PM »

Some roller engines tick more than others and it seems that some of the Comp Cams roller lifters make a bunch of noise and if you believe everything you read on the internet the Morrel roller lifters are quieter if not quiet. 
 
David, JustaSix, has a roller cam in his engine and it is quiet.... at least to my ears.  Now I have seen and HEARD guys at the track whose roller lifters were very noticeable and their cars still seemed to run Very well.
 
When I briefly heard your car at the Sunday morning coffee run I didn't think I was hearing any major issues with your car.  If you want, go to a heavy truck shop and see if they have kits that will let you send your oil off to be analyzed.  I have many reports from the late 80's from GN #1 and they give a fair amount of info.  You just have to get a CLEAN sample of oil to them.  That means you fill up the sample jar with oil that is currently draining out of the oil pan, not from a catch can that has crap built up in the bottom from many different vehicles.
 
P.S.  -  A roller motor won't be cheap since a cam kit is almost $900 US and then the shipping on top of that will probably put you to about a $1000 Canadian once you convert the money and pay some duties.  Also if you are hell bent on spending money I know a guy West of Toronto a bit that was selling a complete engine with roller cam, good pistons, main caps, etc.  I am not sure if this was a fully assembled engine or not but I can get some info for you if needed.
 
Good luck,

That's my main issue right now is that I cant tell if the sparkles are dust from the bottom of the pan or other things that fell in the shop from the pan sitting around for a few hours. When I cut open the filter to be honest the oil looked pretty good to my eyes.

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General Buick Tech / Re: Freshen up a motor

« on: August 13 2013, 11:27:18 PM »

So I guess my next question is if I got to a full roller motor I don't need to worry about zinc in the oil anymore? and are full roller motors loud ticking wise? I read a lot of forums about people saying how there engine ticks.

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General Buick Tech / Re: Freshen up a motor

« on: August 13 2013, 10:24:06 PM »

So would that mean my Turbo is fried now as well

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General Buick Tech / Re: Freshen up a motor

« on: August 13 2013, 07:32:43 PM »

Just a update on my issues. I changed the oil filter to a Napa Gold long neck filter and no change. I also looked at the oil from the old filter and I can see some little gold flakes ? what is the gold flakes from I searched a few other turbo Buick forms and no one seems to know. I also am chasing down a KR problem that I cant seem to fix as well as BLM's at 138.
 
 
Edit: the gold looking flakes might just be dust from the pan sitting around. God dammit this car is gunna make me and my dad kill each other he has given up and thinks the noise is normal and says to drop the timing for the KR but I'm not stupid that's not the problem the fucking gar is going TAPTAPTTTPTPTP ATA AHHHHHHHH I cant sleep that noise haunts me. The quest goes onward to figure out the issue