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Messages - I Love Factory ECMs
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« on: September 17 2012, 06:57:39 PM »
Cat calling the Kettle Black......... ........
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« on: September 17 2012, 06:56:32 PM »
More prefured Reading, I've said Stock Units have there place, as do Aftermarket, all depends where you like your car to be at the end the day, 'peroid'
not that there junk,not they don't work at all,I've seen some work,I took one 160mph stock with pitbull ATR chip, but i see none on cars in the range Speed Range i'm shooting for...
As for highjaking a thread, you should read the Thread owner's title of the threads i've post in, they say......"IF ANYONE HAS ANY IDEA'S PLEASE POST' , So, i did, simple Aftermarket ECM has more benifits in the long run ,
hell, this getting kidergradenish too
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« on: September 17 2012, 06:41:32 PM »
It is his logic. Unfortunately for him, just showing up doesn't guarantee a 1st place trophy like in grade school.
If he buys a new telescope tracking device and it comes with a letter that says there's sand in the mechanism and it shouldn't be actuated until the debris is cleaned out... It is really Amazon's fault when he ruins it without cleaning out the sand?
He thinks that a stock ECM has someway of knowing how much horsepower an engine makes and then leans it out when too much power is made. That's flat out not true. (and it disgusts me that he convinced a court of law that a business should lose $30K over it)
WOT fueling is the easiest thing the ECM does. It opens the injectors for "X" amount of milliseconds ever other crank revolution. That's it. That's all the magic.
Lets say you've maxxxed out 30# injectors and you're flowing enough fuel to make 400HP at WOT. (nice even numbers)
If you do nothing else but put 60# injectors in thier place you will now flow exactly twice the fuel and have enough to support 800HP.
*caveat* yes, idle and cruse will be pig rich, yes the fuel pump might not keep up, yes, engines aren't 100% efficient, etc.....
Keep reading and asking questions Phil. That's the best way to learn. Not to mention when you do a mod or upgrade on your car it makes it more yours. And that's hotrodding.
That was KDK's train of Thought,If he'd add more it'll go away,Instead of the Proper Tune for what i Had..he was saying, "Oh your exhaust is costing you 40 hp, Rear end holding up some more, etc,etc", all to try an get the most out of the motor instead of tune it for Reliably. Never fixed the issue..... Each time he'd add something,he most kept the same BS tune..I went from 50's,to 60's to 72's, Same Issue each time.....
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« on: September 17 2012, 06:35:23 PM »
People are reading what they want to hear,an then the Jealousy sets-in,An the Words start Flying out... The Court was convinced on it's Own of Consumer Fraud.
As for me not listening to Pro's, i guess we all have different set Pro's, The Pro's i "Speak" to, an "Named" deal with High Horsepower Custom application's an own there own Cars....
I'm taking an finding it these "other" Internet Pro's prefer Factory pieces an there car's haven't even hit the 9's yet,can these Internet Pro's tune an XFI 2.0,Bigstuf3,DFI, If not there useless to me now, but What ever floats your boats...8^)
Feel free to list "these" Internet Pro's so maybe someone can communicate with Them,then other then just saying " Listen to the nameless wanna be Pro's on Internet".
I recall a "paul" an one other...that's whole 2 people,are they in the 9's no issues? (of course Street tired,no trans brake)
i did the low 12's stock, tried the low 11's with stockish pieces an a Pro,No Dice, then jumped down to low ten's high 9's capibilty now, If people aren't going that fast,an aren't on XF1 2.0 they haven't the experience for my Current build to inform me about anything...The past build,SURE, have at it..ole news to me
Hell, even in Steve Woods write up,There's a time an place for Aftermarket Unit,denying that now too?
Maybe a re-read? LOL Enjoy!
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« on: September 17 2012, 02:45:24 PM »
I read the entire "Steve Wood required Reading last night",Super informative!!!
But getting out of date,a lot company's in it are gone,( i used them before,ATR,Eastern perf.etc,etc)
I replayed an replayed the scan tool log for first build ,looking at the Numbers an meanings,I came up with A possible solution...!!!
Should got online an read that before KDK , but the past's the past,So...in reading it....
KDK also swore the 'Non-Oilcooler what so ever route' ,mmm,,Hello Detonation!!! after drive to the track to Run on hot oil.....
Other thing was O2 count,in the 600's,the write-up says should been in 740 on alky...
My car "was" built a differant Internet way before,was made to Fail, by reading Steve's write-up...
Good thing is, I , by "myself" through my knowledge of Racing ,i Now have a car now fully designed for longitivy less my Lead Foot..Bhahahah .Now Last Thing, Learn the XFI,give me 1 year or less with my car running an being able to hook-up to it with my lap-top,I'll be fully profisant,I've gone through it some,read the different adjustable charts an how they correspond to another charts. ( with my car only of course,8^))
I posted the scan log in ECM bus thread,but i'll post here,If anyone has the same combo an fixed the 3 rd gear fall off, there Car Will Haul Arse!!!! (read the Accle meter an HP numbers, I had to peddle the car due to spin, you see it in the log,Car never recovered after that....Number Matching Motor!!! (larger valve ported "stock" heads,te-48turbo,50inj,3:50 gear,3500rpm 9" art carr 200r4,single Alky kit,22-23psi boost)
Sorry for any greif's 8^(
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« on: September 17 2012, 02:00:07 PM »
listen to the grizzled veterans that are telling you what the REAL issue is.
If "I" wasn't ""told"" by Bigger Grizzly's i guess then you back at that time (Example: Jason White,Cal Hartline,Cottons Perf.) there's an issue,I wouldn't of mentioned it what so ever,an Yeap,They All Said go Aftermarket ECM for My type of car plans an build......So, if anyone plans on running in the 10's i "Suggested" the same thing,But in doing so it's a constant battle between the Die Hard Factory users an what's actually the best for there combination long term an adjustability,Welcome to the inernet.... Show me 1 "Currently Running" car's thread running 8.9's in the 1/4 mile on street tire with out being tubbed. or a powerglide. on Factory ECM an tunable Chip....... I'll show you 20+ other's running the same time that have switched over...makes you think there's a reason for that.Just some fail to see it...(the old dog an the new tricks) All you have to do is find One... Any one running 11's an up, I'm sure stock might get you by..I don't have an 11 sec car...
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« on: September 17 2012, 01:33:16 PM »
(I had added the thread to the Central Fl GN/ttype club because i'm paying member of them,I've known the owners since the 80's,But your right, It's a Technical build in a Half) 8^)
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« on: September 17 2012, 01:23:14 PM »
9-17-12, Cars so's close to being finished,i can smell 93 an methanol..Rear's in, New custom Drive shaft being made today. Battery box is in (An the fake one with alky pump an other relay's hiden under it,;^),I know GN's didn't come with top terminals,but thats what they got,i can chagne it later ) Cal Hartline visits tomorrow an we go over the wiring an see all what's left before the virgin fire-up (for the 6th time in 10 years..)
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« on: September 17 2012, 01:05:40 PM »
Have you found ANYONE on any forum that agrees with your stock ECM stance? I am curious.
Have i found anyone "Online' , No, there all Internet Modles,LOL, that Prefure the use of Aftermarket ECM's on there car's yet having everyone else try factory one out first..... Now in the real world with phone call's to real people in the GN busniess world, Yes,(An it's said to be a Secret) Expieriments on the car itself,muiltipul shop's having the issue at same time as mine an now more an more are poping up on the board with it. Somehow there " was " a an Issue,It could of been something nobody knew about an they just happen to add it to my car before properly field tested,Maybe, "Now" the issue's been fixed,Happens when you try to go State of the Art...I wanted an DFI or XFI on my car from day one at KDK, He assured me i didn't need it an to go "His Way",I did, i racked the first motor up to Misscomunicati on! All on me, After 2 others, Sorry Charlie, Not my doing... The Glove only Fit 1/2 my Hand, You must Aquit!! ( O.J.) My car was given the Improper Dose's an Died (Micheal Jackson) We can do this all year, Not resolving the issue i an "Others" Have or Had maybe by now...
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« on: September 17 2012, 12:49:44 PM »
As intelligent as you profess. Please use some grammar so I need not guess what you are saying.
AJ___
Spelling,grammar,Typo's with big fingers, Worst Attributes!!! ;^),i'm a blue collar worker outdoors, not in door secretary,,,hhehehe
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« on: September 17 2012, 10:36:49 AM »
Some have the knowlege,some pay for it, I paid for It an got Robbed!
I'm up to speed now...8^)
If i can keep a Laser Beam on a peice of papers Edge while it's travles at 14,000 mph 255miles all from my front yard. That also includes GPS input,leveling an sky alginment on computerized telescope. All trcking it manualy by Eyeball Then produce a Photo of the International Space Station in Orbit...(not to mention i can produce Hubble images an fully photo process them in ,RegiStax 5.1,Deepspace stacker,Nebulasity2 computer programs....)
(now that where fishing,get haircuts an real job's,with letting people's air out the tires)
Tuning the XFI's a Breeze for all my conditions i prefur!! I've passed on the Factory route, to out dated,to many wires, the chips you'd need for street or track.
"I wonder what KDK would have to say about this."....
He "know's" i'm Hard on Cars,i go to the Track with mine.....Hope he'll give "you" a straight answer..(doubt it)...Gave "me" I don't Know what problem is (I find that to be BS)
He's use to ole foggy's with street cars that want to go fast an Drop any amount of money, He must thought i was the same sucker's....
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« on: September 17 2012, 09:37:36 AM »
I'm just after an Defenant answer on the failur
Abuse
Or less to the point... "Customer knowingly operated car outside of acceptable paramateurs resulting in severe damage. Customer then continued to operate while damaged resulting in catastrophic failure."
lol ..What??? Drag racing is Abuse??? Damn guess i'll have to stick to "Sunday Drives" ....NOT!! Well if you want to get generic: Try Consumer Fraud: The Customer Paid a Knowingly an Supposedly as Advertised Experienced Buick Grand National "Performance"expert for complete rebuild,ready to run an Tuned for 1/4 mile drag car for the that express reason, But in return got only "1/2" the performance of what was Paid for. After my own research last night,either through the tuning of KDK,or the Extender Chip,Absolutely no Third Gear enrichment tune was tried or attempted. Wasn't done due to them just not doing it, Or they couldn't even get to that point to try due to the ECM like they an others have said.
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« on: September 16 2012, 03:23:59 PM »
Woulda's - Coulda's - an the Shoulda's, All in the Past,an all taken care of!!!!. That's reason car went to paint ,was Waiting till the motor'd stay in it at least a year...8^)
I'm just after an Defenant answer on the failur, But i guess with the time gone by an only one full set build info,I just won't ever be able to get the Answer..."Welcome to the Gray Fog of Racing"
Only thing i regret out of anything was storing the car for 10 year's an allowing all that Information around between then to slip by...(But not Now!!)
Enjoy!
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« on: September 16 2012, 03:14:32 PM »
Imagine if a single engine pilot had your knowledge of tuning. He goes to the hanger mechanic on a clear dry low humidity day and say's "give me a tune for 5000 ft" Now you go flying a few days later on a very humid day and at 5000ft your plane goes "put put bang bang bang put put poof and stalls" Now your on a spiral nosedive to the ground thinking I should of read the book in pilot school about how density altitude and weather effects tuning.
LOL.. the last motor, the 3rd, Came straight out is shop an Next day to the track with him have all the Info on. Goodbye #1 intake vale in new GN1 head's,there's no peddling it, once it hit a certain point it fell over .Damage been done """not to mention All the Damage probably already done on KDK's dyno messing with it,""""..... "Ring" "Ring" Cal, add XFI an first tune please, Cal "No Problem!!!", current Date, Car runs to any speed an's Twice as Fast as Before...8^) I got crappy tuner,or there was ECM issue,or all combined.Just glad it's Over! But other can benefit from my hard times...;^) Some people are Drivers an others Mechanics,I'm just lucky to have a Team Owner...LOL
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