IHADAV8.com - Turbo Buick Tech, and Nonsense
Tech Area => General Buick Tech => Topic started by: Scoobum on July 02 2015, 07:13:34 PM
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I had a gentleman walk up to me last summer at the track and introduce himself. He purchased an 86 TR from an 80 year old lady...and she's the original owner. He asked me to go over the car and give him a list to bring it up to snuff. It now has a new fuel pump, hot wire kit...etc...he actually listened. I put a new AFPR on it at the track last nite and set the fuel pressure. All looked good on the SM and he took it for a blast down the track. It's a non posi...with shitty TA tires. It went a single tire smoking 14.8 at 95 MPH. He's gonna drop by the shop and were gonna put valve springs on it over the next couple of weeks. Any idea what the car should MPH?
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With 18-19 psi boost and a decent launch it might do 102 or so. I used to launch it pretty hard and do 13 ohs to 13.20s at 105-106. His should too especially with the fresh valve springs. What about a timing set?
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Good point...and I have no idea of the mileage on the car. He races snowmobiles during the winter...so he can do the timing set himself. I was figuring 100 MPH or so. He insisted on a new DP...so I told him an RJC unit or nothing. Sure nuff...showed up last nite with the new RJC DP and a test pipe installed.
When we get the valve springs on it...the original owner...the 80 year old lady...wants to take it down the track. I'll post pics. :)
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That I will be looking for. Kinda like basketball sams mother making passes in his gsx.
If it has the original nylon gear, most of it is in the oil pan. Make sure he understands the crank sensor and the needed clearance if he does the timing set himself.
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Stock chip? Modern gas? Factory WG settings? I'd say that car ran well for basically stock with undisclosed mileage on crap tires.
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that was pretty typical for a new, off the showroom car with a peg leg. 105 was pretty good for one with a little work
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Pull a Jeremy and put an air bag with 20 psi of pressure on the passenger side and hook it up!
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Steve lets just say it had just north of what everyone thought it would hold. 60psi at times! After the ATR sway bar I lowered it to 20-25psi. I wish I would have taken pics. The spring looked like the michelin man was attacking it.
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Stock chip? Modern gas? Factory WG settings? I'd say that car ran well for basically stock with undisclosed mileage on crap tires.
I gave him a list a mile long. :) TT chip...new injectors...fu el pump...hotwire kit...plugs... wires...weld the DS header...the whole 9 yards. BLM's were 126 last nite after I set the FP. Engine runs nice. He drag races a snowmobile during the winter months. He says he isn't gonna mod this car...but I bet he does. :)
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I agree with Rich on the timing chain. Everyone that I've owned or worked on has had radiator issues. That may not be a problem for you guys up in the polar regions though.... Every other thing that I do to make them reliable and run decent, I'll bet you've already told him
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The valve springs alone should put your over 100mph.
I'd check the radiator for clogging with an IR temp gauge (or just look down the filler hole if it's bad enough) and get that 1/4 century old timing set out of there yesterday.
On the upside, if he does lose the teeths after doing the valve springs, the valves won't get bent.
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I agree with Rich on the timing chain. Everyone that I've owned or worked on has had radiator issues. That may not be a problem for you guys up in the polar regions though.... Every other thing that I do to make them reliable and run decent, I'll bet you've already told him
He found a rad shop a few days ago to have it recored. Rad shops use to be a dime a dozen...but they're getting hard to find...at least up here. I had him put a new 160 thermostat in it...and he said he put a new water pump in it.
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I wonder what the lifespan in on the internal coolers.
I'm pretty happy with my budget Fbody unit. $70 for a new radiator with a lifetime warranty that also drops something like 26#s off the nose. Can't buy weight savings like that anywhere else on the car. Not to mention better cooling too.
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Stock chip? Modern gas? Factory WG settings? I'd say that car ran well for basically stock with undisclosed mileage on crap tires.
I gave him a list a mile long. :) TT chip...new injectors...fu el pump...hotwire kit...plugs... wires...weld the DS header...the whole 9 yards. BLM's were 126 last nite after I set the FP. Engine runs nice. He drag races a snowmobile during the winter months. He says he isn't gonna mod this car...but I bet he does. :)
It is a slippery slope... granted I never really tried to make my car go right on stockish stuff.
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Pull a Jeremy and put an air bag with 20 psi of pressure on the passenger side and hook it up!
Too late. He's out looking for a posi unit. :)
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Had a few guys with bone stock GN's with posi's running in the 14.1-14.4 range around 93-96mph on a hot summer day on crappy 215 tires. On a cold day with the track glued to the nines high 13's no problem or with some good tires on a hot day. These cars all had around 60k miles on them.
With the peg leg he is close.
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Had a few guys with bone stock GN's with posi's running in the 14.1-14.4 range around 93-96mph on a hot summer day on crappy 215 tires. On a cold day with the track glued to the nines high 13's no problem or with some good tires on a hot day. These cars all had around 60k miles on them.
With the peg leg he is close.
Great info...thanks. I'm gonna swap in a set of valve springs...and then he can decide where he wants to go from there. And I'll recommend he put a new timing set in it. Time for me to get my own car dialed in. A few Hellcat owners were running their mouths at Armdrop a couple weeks back. Next one is Sept 12th...and I'm gonna roll in...and open up a great big can of whoopass. :rock:
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If you smack down a Hellcat make sure to get it on video! :cheers:
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I went 13.80 @ 98 at TMP on 17psi and a DR in my T. K&N air filter was the only mod
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I went 13.80 @ 98 at TMP on 17psi and a DR in my T. K&N air filter was the only mod
Thanks Jim. I guess he did okay at 95 mph. :)
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I've got airbags and an adjustable RR snubber that I took off my car, would sell cheap to the "cause"
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Had a few guys with bone stock GN's with posi's running in the 14.1-14.4 range around 93-96mph on a hot summer day on crappy 215 tires. On a cold day with the track glued to the nines high 13's no problem or with some good tires on a hot day. These cars all had around 60k miles on them.
With the peg leg he is close.
Great info...thanks. I'm gonna swap in a set of valve springs...and then he can decide where he wants to go from there. And I'll recommend he put a new timing set in it. Time for me to get my own car dialed in. A few Hellcat owners were running their mouths at Armdrop a couple weeks back. Next one is Sept 12th...and I'm gonna roll in...and open up a great big can of whoopass. :rock:
Time, date and location for the hellcat smack down? Perhaps we can get a trip planned to the great white north. I'm sure by sept, temps in the evening will be turbo friendly up there
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Saturday Sept 12. Racing's from noon till 7pm. This Hellcat BS is coming to an end.
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I'm gonna take the right lane...that way I can watch 'em going down the track. :)
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None of them up there have made it to the tens?
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Saturday Sept 12. Racing's from noon till 7pm. This Hellcat BS is coming to an end.
In Picton?
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None of them up there have made it to the tens?
Armdrop is at a deserted airfield in Picton. Mike's been up there road racing in the past, I believe. No time slips at Armdrop...but flapping their gums about 10's...but won't show at our local track. I was at Picton watching them a couple weeks back. All I saw was guys with too much money that can't 'pedal' a car.
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I'll throw this on the calendar. Wife's family is from the area... so I can run away for a few hours. Might be fun if the TBSS has the Procharger on it. ;)
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I'll throw this on the calendar. Wife's family is from the area... so I can run away for a few hours. Might be fun if the TBSS has the Procharger on it. ;)
I'm easy to find. Just look for the black trailer that says...LORD VADER. YOUR GRAND NATIONAL IS READY :)
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Yeah... Just looked up Picton on the map. I don't have any family up that way but I do have friends at Fort Drum.... Also, a little to close to the Ford vs Buick event in Oklahoma for me so you better get Mike to shoot some video of the beat down. That will be some good ass footage! 28 year old V6 putting the smack down on modern day mopar
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I recently found another radiator option.
OSC 683
I exchanged emails with them, and they claim it is a drop in replacement for the TR, old diesel cars etc, it has the engine oil cooler, and trans cooler. It is aluminum with plastic end tanks, but the price is no better than allradco.
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=3759960&cc=1020957&jnid=456&jpid=4 (http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=3759960&cc=1020957&jnid=456&jpid=4)
•Premium grade tubes, fins, headers, tanks, and other components are used to make OSC radiators more durable
• Every unit is 100% pressure and fit tested
• All necessary fittings or hardware are included in each unit for an easy install
• The minimum benchmark when designing a new radiator is always the OE standard or an “approved” aftermarket design
•OSC uses double corrugated “Brown Box” to better protect radiator fins during shipping. Most of the units utilize “Blown Foam” technology to further protect the unit from shipping damage.
Height 26 1/4"
Width 17"
Depth 1 5/8"
Inlet 1 5/16"
Outlet 1 9/16"
Trans Oil Cooler 8 1/2" 3 PLT
Engine Oil Cooler 8 1/2" 2 PLT
Top Header 2 3/4" x 18 5/8"
Bottom Header 2 3/4" x 18 5/8"
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My first pass ever aug 30 2008 16.4 @93mph 99% stock a KN in the box , old Kenny Bell chip, 255 good years
# 3 pass that day14.30 @96.75 mph
last pass that day #6 14.27 @96.78
Hooked for ever