IHADAV8.com - Turbo Buick Tech, and Nonsense
Tech Area => General Buick Tech => Topic started by: DCEPTCN on February 10 2005, 01:41:05 PM
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How much of a gain have you folks seen with this? The reason I ask is I'm doing a lot of stuff to the car in the next 2 months and want to knock out a bunch in one fell swoop. I've looked at the one Poston sells and it seems like a good unit, but I'm not sure if it's worth 200 and some-odd bones to me. Maybe I'll go DIY. I've decided that a front mount is likely never going to happen, so I need to pursue this.....any stories/info would be appreciated. TIA.
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I have an old Kenne Belle unit that I've heard is somewhat restictive.
I like this one: http://www.buickgn.com/bigmouth.htm
I've heard great things about it, and for what you get - it seems to be a reasonable price.
And anything you can do to reduce inlet temps is a good thing. The only thing I miss is it somewhat mutes the turbo whistle. :cool;
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Well, my bigger turbo should somewhat combat the muting problem. I'm shocked- those are a lot cheaper than I expected.
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Well, my bigger turbo should somewhat combat the muting problem. I'm shocked- those are a lot cheaper than I expected.
If it makes you feel better, send me $20.00 for linking it for you. :D
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I've heard the gains are not commensurate with the costs.
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I've heard the gains are not commensurate with the costs.
See, that's my suspicion- but Poston prefesses that their's is worth .35 in the quarter....?
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And anything you can do to reduce inlet temps is a good thing. The only thing I miss is it somewhat mutes the turbo whistle.
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I'd have to agree, Mark H's kit is probably the best bang for the
buck as far as cold air kits go. I'm still using the stock flexible duct
with a homemade bracket to support the MAF with a K&N on it.
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Although I have no hard numbers - Anything that can reduce the intake charge temps is a good thing, = more booooost.
And it looks trick!
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I also have something I haven't seen much of lately, and ATR charcoal canister relocation kit. It relocates the charcoal cansiter to under the the plastic fender well, gets ot out of the way in the engine compartment. I just checked ATR's web site and didn't see it?
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Lemme take a pic
Ok..
Clean "air intake area"
http://www.ihadav8.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=48
Charcoal Canister relocated
http://www.ihadav8.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=49
Charcoal Canister and vacuum canistet attached to ATR bracket
http://www.ihadav8.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=50
Clear as mud? :cool;
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And as I went to go get a cold beer last night - I thought of a better way to illustrate the "gains" that can be had..
Norice how when it's ~50 degrees how your TR will scream? It's all in the air intake temperature..
It was ~49 degrees when I went out last night, and the TR was mooooving..
Except for the goddamn slipping tranny. :smt013
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I entirely agree with that. I had a low speed cooling
fan problem that was causing my car to run at approximately
206 deg. If my initial IAT temps were about 130 degrees, the car was
a slug. If the lanes moved fast my IAT would go to about 80,
and the car would fly. That was with hot coolant temps. With
the coolant te,ps down to about 170 the car was faster,but
not as much difference as having the lower IAT temps.
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Hey Sylvan, I blew my money on a Big Mouth inatke and all I can say is I could have made one a hell of a lot cheaper. It looks like plumbing hose to me. If anyone can say otherwise, please do, because I'm not sure. This is how you make it, from turbo to filter.
Get a 2.5" slightly angled piece of hose, then go down to a Midas or something and get a piece of 2.5" tubing, about 18" long or so. Then get another piece of 2.5" hose, and clamp it to your MAF. Then, from the MAF get a 2.5" to 4" hose, and drill out the ATS sensor hole. From there, the only tricky part is the big ass 4" bent pipe, which you could have made at a diesel truck shop, and then it goes into a 4" 90 degree hose elbow through the headlight hole to the K&N. I'll send you pictures, it's easy as hell and it does wake up the car.
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Brian, I'd love to see those pics.
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I just got an e-mail from ATR and they still have the Charcoal Canister Relocation kits for $49.95. Their online catalog is not a good representation of what they actually have for the Turbo Regals.
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Yup, online doesn't do them much justice, get a print catalog.
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Yup, online doesn't do them much justice, get a print catalog.
Damn shame, ain't it? In this day and age, to have to wait for a print catalog is a joke. And the software they use for their website is soooo easy to use..
$49.95?!?! :wtf:
I would post an ad in the For Sale/Trade areas on all the boards seeing if anyone has one used they want to get rid of. I got mine used many moons ago..
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Damn shame, ain't it? In this day and age, to have to wait for a print catalog is a joke. And the software they use for their website is soooo easy to use..
For real, It bugs me when I go to a website to buy something and I cant even see a pic. :jerkit;
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This is how hard it is to add:
http://ihadav8.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=34
We will be using the same software they are using.
(Shhh!! this is a secret!) (Beta site)
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Someone's been busy, looks nice.
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Someone's been busy, looks nice.
Send ATR a resume or however your spell that shiat.
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Hey I can attest to how much of a difference the cold air kit makes. I just put one on my car for <$20 spent at Lowe's
at least 2 feet of 3" pvc pipe
45* elbow
90* elbow
5 rubber hose connectors
Looks great once painted black!
Well worth the money I spent.(and more)
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Hey I can attest to how much of a difference the cold air kit makes. I just put one on my car for <$20 spent at Lowe's
at least 2 feet of 3" pvc pipe
45* elbow
90* elbow
5 rubber hose connectors
Looks great once painted black!
Well worth the money I spent.(and more)
Pictures?
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Hey I can attest to how much of a difference the cold air kit makes. I just put one on my car for <$20 spent at Lowe's
at least 2 feet of 3" pvc pipe
45* elbow
90* elbow
5 rubber hose connectors
Looks great once painted black!
Well worth the money I spent.(and more)
Pictures?
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Last weekend I did the DIY cold air kit myself. Cost me about $50 total. Autozone sells a polished aluminum 3" pipe that's at a slight angle (and has a hole for the MAT sensor), so it goes directly from my MAF to the space behind the headlights. From there, I got some plastic bendable 3" pipe which goes to the K&N down behind the front spoiler. I plan to replace the plastic pipe with something aluminum when I find the right piece, but this definately does the trick untill then. Looks semi-good under the hood, too. Since the plastic pipe is flexible, I bolted a little makeshift brace to keep the filter from hanging down too far.
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Good job, I was going to take pictures of my setup this weekend, but it looks like you got it.
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Good job, I was going to take pictures of my setup this weekend, but it looks like you got it.
Maybe I'll take a few pictures just for the hell of it- might help somebody out a little someday.
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practice what you preach![schild=random fontcolor=000000 shadowcolor=C0C0C0 shieldshadow=1]Lazy Bum!!![/schild]
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practice what you preach![schild=random fontcolor=000000 shadowcolor=C0C0C0 shieldshadow=1]Lazy Bum!!![/schild]
I'm on it, I'm on it.
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You better be, I know what your avatar looks like! :smt071
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What, you don't like Down's badass Jesus?
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Jesus?!?!?! I thought that was you. :chin:
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I just noticed that ATR charged me for the charcoal canister relocator...I wonder if it arrived...need to call back to the states and see if it's in the room-o-parts or not.
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I just noticed that ATR charged me for the charcoal canister relocator...I wonder if it arrived...need to call back to the states and see if it's in the room-o-parts or not.
GOod idea sine they are filing banckruptcy! :bigeyes;
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the room-o-parts
Your going to have a frickin' field day when you get home! Whats the first thing your gonna work on?
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Okay, here are a couple of pics of what I did the other day. A new K&N is on it's way, so that pos in the pic is only for illustrative purposes. Also, I had to brace it until I get a metal pipe to hold it instead of the flexible plastic that is the second half of the setup. I was hoping that the pics would give away any evidence that I was doing this while getting drunk at my brother in law's trailer out in the middle of nowhere.....bu t oh well. P.S. I've got all new front spoilers on the way as well as an aluminum IC scoop, so ignore the junk that's on there now.
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Last ones......
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Holy CRAP! That looks nice! Good job!
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Is that a Honda intake? I'm serious, it looks like a B16 tube, if it is, that's a perfect fit and it beats the hell out of paying $150 for something else.
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Kick ass ! Homemade stuff rocks ! :supz:
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Kick ass ! Homemade stuff rocks !
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Is that a Honda intake? I'm serious, it looks like a B16 tube, if it is, that's a perfect fit and it beats the hell out of paying $150 for something else.
It's just a universal pipe that AutoZone sells for $29. Last night I put on the new front spoilers and Poston's aluminum intercooler scoop (which is a nice piece!), so we should be getting some real good air to the engine.
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I made mine too. Out of stainless steel pipe and silicone hose as connectors:) Keeps my iat a LOT lower then when I had an underhood open K&N too.
Frank
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Grumpy makes a kick ass kit,,,cost me $120.00 smacks for the filter and all shipped to my front door. :supz:
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I entirely agree with that. I had a low speed cooling
fan problem that was causing my car to run at approximately
206 deg. If my initial IAT temps were about 130 degrees, the car was
a slug. If the lanes moved fast my IAT would go to about 80,
and the car would fly. That was with hot coolant temps. With
the coolant te,ps down to about 170 the car was faster,but
not as much difference as having the lower IAT temps.
I also think that lower inlet air temps are more important than hot coolant temp. I have the Big Mouth kit and like it alot. :cool;
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I just have a big mouth !...and welcome to the board! :atbeer:
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Indeedy, welcome!
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Indeedy, welcome!
Welcome to the island of misfit Buick owners.
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Indeedy, welcome!
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Wewlcome to the island of misfit Buick owners.
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Misfits huh?
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Misfits huh?
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I just finished installing a big mouth cold air kit, and solid Maf pipe, New Maf sensor and Paid Big Bucks, (I'm just No Good with Money).
I haven't driven it yet, just ran it to see if the check engine light went out after installing a good MAF sensor, 'Cause it's about time to put her away for the Winter.
But, The only thing I noticed was a Better Exaust Sound, So, It's definitelly is breathing better.
I read somewhere that is is a 10% horspower gain, But, Hey, I don't know.
Good Luck with yours... :psix;
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Misfits huh?
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Yeah, I'm cool.
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It's definitelly is breathing better.