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Tech Area => General Buick Tech => Topic started by: DCEPTCN on July 05 2006, 06:29:48 PM

Title: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: DCEPTCN on July 05 2006, 06:29:48 PM: Okay, the oil leak: I did just fine on the rear main seal. It was the oil pan gasket that was leaking. Okay, solved that problem.

The transmission headache: The grommet around the up-tube on the previous tranny filter had come off up in it and had clogged the new one. Fixed that.

So, Sunday I fixed all that and took her for a very nervous cruise 7 miles up the road to the grocery store. (If I wasn't married, that car would assure me a piece of tail from a chick who works there....she loves GNs) It did fine the whole way there and back up until I was about 2 blocks from home.....I figured I was close enough to my house to go ahead and goose it a little. She got up and barked real nice like! It was awesome (aside from being a little lean).....then, as I'm pulling off onto my road, I notice the temps getting up around 195-ish. After the 200 feet or so to my driveway, the temps had shot up to 234 f'ing degrees! Shut her down, pop the hood- the overspill reservoir is bubbling like crazy, very full and brown as hell. It would appear that the sealer tabs that I put in after doing my headgaskets are still floating around in there. I drained and refilled the radiator 3(?) times and every time I drove it a block away and back the temps would get slightly above 200 degrees and the reservoir would be full, brown, etc. Now, I had just put in a new 160 therm on Sunday, so it would seem unlikely that was the issue, but I think that sealer tab crap had fouled the therm. I started the car with the radiator cap off and the water pump is throwing water out, so I know that it's fine. I put in a spare 180 that I had laying around, drained and refilled the radiator and had the same problems. This is disgusting and now it looks like I'll need to pull the radiator, drive it all the way into Albuquerque and have it professionally flushed. Ugh.
Title: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: Be4u on July 05 2006, 06:50:46 PM: Befor you pull the rad do this. Buy 10 gallons of distilled water. Drain the rad, fill 'er up. Start the car, turn your heater on high and open your petcock, let the water drain and babysit the rad, keep filling it up. I do that everytime I change my fluid till the water in the tank stays clear. Make sure to use 8-10 gallons of water.
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: DCEPTCN on July 05 2006, 06:53:26 PM: I'll try that tonight. Just out of curiosity, what *exactly* does cranking the heat do?
Title: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: Be4u on July 05 2006, 06:56:51 PM: cycles the fluid through the heater core. If you watch in your rad you'll see the water be clear then it'll cycle and turn green.
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: 87natty on July 05 2006, 07:04:55 PM: Hey, check your oil too. Being brown makes me think of oil in your water maybe, but it's probably just years of crap gettting flushed out. I'd just let it idle with a hose in the water pump, but that's just me and it's probably illegal. ;)

Anyways, as Robert said, heater opens up the heater valves and reduces the chance for air pockets in your system.

Now, 200 degrees or so ain't bad at low speeds in the heat, I've been around there recently as it's hitting 95*+ at work recently. I think your low fan are fucked personally. Let it idle until it gets hot and see if the fan comes on. And take your thermo and boil it, see if that bitch opens where it should.

Keep us posted.

:atbeer:
Title: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: ledzeppac on July 05 2006, 07:44:49 PM: Pee in it
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: Recklessrob on July 05 2006, 10:00:34 PM: Like Brian said, check your fan. Mine would run hot because the low
speed resistor had rusted in half. I bypassed it, so I have 2 high speeds.
The resistors are like $160. Not worth replacing in my opinion.
Title: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: ledzeppac on July 05 2006, 10:58:26 PM: then pee in it
Title: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: Recklessrob on July 05 2006, 11:05:47 PM: Quote from: "ledzeppac @ Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:58 pm"
then pee in it

Get really shitfaced first, then pee in it. Homemade antifreeze.
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: SuperSix on July 06 2006, 10:39:31 AM: Brown crap? If it isn't oil - shame on you for not taking care of the cooling system sooner, especially where you live. :smt018

If it isn't oil - go to the parts store. and get a Zerez flush kit and some radiator flush. (Zerex/Prestone) The flush kit comes with a capped "T" you put in your heater hose, hook up a house, turn on the water, start the car, and flush away.

After the water is CLEAR, put in the chemical flush (following instructions) and run it for a while longer. (Keep an eye on the temp guage)

Then reflush it with clear tap water until it's crystal clear.

Once it has cooled down, drain about 1/2 of the radiator using the petcock (I love that word. :)) Then add 25% antifreeze, (to lubricate the water pump bearings) and 1 bottle of Red Line Water Wetter (yes, it really does work), and the rest tap water.

Where you live, you should bypass the fan ballast resistor anyway. A bit more fan noise at start, but worth it.

You "may* have a blown headgasket too. :smt011

Let me know if this works.
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: DCEPTCN on July 06 2006, 05:13:08 PM: How could it be oil? It's perfectly mixed in and stays that way even after it cools off....I've taken a close look and it ain't oil. And I haven't neglected the cooling system, the radiator is brand new, but I think I put too many sealer tabs in when I did the headgaskets. I threw a hose in the radiator, opened the petcock and let her run for a few minutes last night, but it shot right up to over 200 so I had to kill it. Obviously, the therm is not opening. So, I need to go get a new therm and flush it then.
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: Recklessrob on July 06 2006, 05:36:36 PM: Water wetter is good stuff, I've used it in my circle track cars, where the rules
won't allow antifreeze. I've heard good things about the RMI stuff too.
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: Ttype83 on July 06 2006, 10:28:38 PM: Quote from: "DCEPTCN @ Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:13 pm"
How could it be oil? It's perfectly mixed in and stays that way even after it cools off....I've taken a close look and it ain't oil. And I haven't neglected the cooling system, the radiator is brand new, but I think I put too many sealer tabs in when I did the headgaskets. I threw a hose in the radiator, opened the petcock and let her run for a few minutes last night, but it shot right up to over 200 so I had to kill it. Obviously, the therm is not opening. So, I need to go get a new therm and flush it then.

Flush the system without the temp in..you don't need it in summer any how..If it over heats without the temp in you have another problem..check your oil!!!!
Title: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: ledzeppac on July 06 2006, 10:50:51 PM: did you pee in it?
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: SuperSix on July 07 2006, 08:25:30 AM: DO NOT run the car w/o a thermostat.

Temps will fluctuate wildy, causing possible gasket issues (yes, head gaskets), and driveablility will soffer.

Get a good 160 and be done with it
Title: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: ledzeppac on July 07 2006, 12:35:45 PM: Pee Pee Pee in it!
Title: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: SuperSix on July 07 2006, 12:39:57 PM: Quote from: "ledzeppac @ Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:35 am"
Pee Pee Pee in it!

Hey jackass - we have ONE GOOD TECH thread and you keep posting the same lame line.

Help with the prblem or piss off!

:D
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: DCEPTCN on July 07 2006, 01:33:44 PM: I'm picking up a therm at Napa tonight and I'll be flushing the shit out of it tomorrow morning. Hopefully that'll cure it.

Phil, in October I'm gonna kick you in the shin and push you into the street.
Title: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: Be4u on July 07 2006, 02:41:21 PM: now I'm confused
Title: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: Top Speed on July 07 2006, 03:15:04 PM: A radiator full of piss would be very corrosive!
Title: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: 87natty on July 07 2006, 04:13:08 PM: One good tech thread... lol.
Title: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: ledzeppac on July 07 2006, 06:05:17 PM: pee will.. nevermind

I think Natty is on the right track... run a hose through it until it is clean.. that sounds right to me...

keep checking oil!!!!!!
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: Recklessrob on July 07 2006, 08:43:18 PM: I agree with S6, don't run it w/o a thermostat. 160 is the way to go.
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: DCEPTCN on July 10 2006, 04:57:44 PM: What kind of temps do y'all normally see when you goose the hell out of your car?
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: SuperSix on July 10 2006, 07:51:07 PM: Quote from: "DCEPTCN @ Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:57 pm"
What kind of temps do y'all normally see when you goose the hell out of your car?

My car wouldn't get any hotter just thrashing it - only when sitting in bumper to bumper traffic, especially with the A/C on. After putting in the Ramchargers fans, all was good, it hovered around 160-170 all the time.

The factory fan is shit in a hot climate.
Title: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: Be4u on July 10 2006, 08:13:05 PM: Yeah, the only time my temp went up is when I wasnt moving. I think 173* was the hottest I saw comming back from Vegas.
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: Recklessrob on July 10 2006, 09:32:12 PM: With the resistor bypassed, mine fluctuates between 168 and 174.
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: Ttype83 on July 11 2006, 01:57:19 PM: 168 - 208 temps .. think it still has the 180 in it... Well have you flushed it again?????
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: DCEPTCN on July 11 2006, 02:04:06 PM: I've flushed the bejeezus out of it, with a therm in there and without. I took out the therm and, while sitting in the driveway, the hangs out right around 160~170, but if I take it for a spin to the next street and throttle it, it soars up to around 210-ish. *But*, with the therm removed, the temps start coming right back down. I'm inclined to believe that the water pump, although apparently working, might not be working very well. And for the record, last night I threw my therm into a pot of water on the stove, turned the burner on high, and as soon as it opened up I stuck a meat thermometer in the water.....160 on the nose.
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: TSM Girl on July 11 2006, 02:50:56 PM: Sounds like the water pump is going....my temp is always 160-170
Title: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: Top Speed on July 11 2006, 03:10:34 PM: Never heard of a water pump that wouldn't pump....usuall y they leak and then get replaced. If in doubt you could take it off and look at the impeller to see if it is intact.
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: SuperSix on July 11 2006, 03:40:27 PM: IOt can happen. The impeller can become loose, and as the load on it increaes, the flow reduces.

There's really not much more it can be. Do the radiator cores looked clogged? Do you ahve a hose collapsing?

Flow Cooler makes a NICE unit
http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?N=4294924500+4294908256+4294838996+4294925022+4294840137+115+300293&autoview=sku

$81.99 though :confused;
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: DCEPTCN on July 11 2006, 03:49:36 PM: Radiator has only a couple of hundred miles on it.
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: Recklessrob on July 12 2006, 12:20:54 AM: The impeller could be clogged up or rotted out. When are the fans coming in ?

As for water pumps, Poston's sells the high flow pump for about $40. I have
one in my Mazda, and it's da bomb !
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: Dragonational on July 12 2006, 12:36:43 AM: D i am having the same problem with the new motor in my car. Only difference is mine likes to pin the needle on 250 :mad; . I am going to check the basics soon but if you have checked the therm and the rad then what else is there short of checking the water pump or pulling all of your hoses to see if there is any blockage in the lines? Not sure but when you find it let us know....and then come fix mine :D
Title: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: 87natty on July 12 2006, 03:47:39 AM: I've had good luck with the Autozone $20 special. Use a Fel=Pro gasket.
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: Recklessrob on July 12 2006, 12:48:42 PM: When I got the New HP pump I compared them, and the impellers are totally different. The HP pump has a nice contoured cast aluminum impeller instead
of the stamped steel with bent fins.
Title: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: 87natty on July 12 2006, 01:35:25 PM: Mine was a GMP, cast fins.
Title: Re: Roses are red, violets are blue, my cars a hunk of turd and I wish it nothing but pain
Post by: Recklessrob on July 13 2006, 12:07:12 AM: The bearings are supposed to be different too, but I couldn't tell without cutting it open.