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Title: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: good2win22 on August 20 2017, 09:10:15 PM
Had a fella tell me I shouldn't be holding too much boost on the foot brake with aluminum drums. Said they will crack and come apart on me.


I realize boost is relative depending on lots of other variables. Is there a torque number out there to be leary of or is this dude smoking crack?


As I see it, I save 5 lbs a side with the aluminum drums.
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: Steve Wood on August 20 2017, 11:39:58 PM
I think they will have a shorter life...just how much is the question.
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: reality on August 21 2017, 06:40:23 AM
And for whatever reason the guys I know that tried both say you can't build as much boost with aluminum drums. May be or not an issue.
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: good2win22 on August 21 2017, 06:55:29 AM
I can understand not having a line lock, getting the brakes hot doing a burn out and then trying to hold the launch causing premature wear but lots of folks foot breaking aluminum drums with 1.5-ish short times. And we've been doing it for a long time. I just haven't heard any stories of them coming apart
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: 1KWIKSIX on August 21 2017, 07:04:36 AM
Well, at least we now have a source for new aluminum drums   :hmm ....gotta thank Dennis Kirban and the folks at Cardone.


http://www.kirbanperformance.com/product/44326/REPRODUCTION+of+the+GM+ALUMINUM+BRAKE+DRUMS+%282%29+SET+-+10-BOLT+%237716.html (http://www.kirbanperformance.com/product/44326/REPRODUCTION+of+the+GM+ALUMINUM+BRAKE+DRUMS+%282%29+SET+-+10-BOLT+%237716.html)
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: gusszgs on August 21 2017, 04:41:27 PM
I put a set of Kirban's aluminum drums on my T this year, they are nice brand new drums that haven't been through a gazillion heat cycles and up to full spec.......... .if you have the s-10 cylinders and Russell flex line kit along with 2 long shoes you should be golden, provided everything else is in order. I adjust my rears through the knock out in the backing plate on the star adjuster with the wheels ON (lots more leverage with a 50lb wheel on there to feel for drag)
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: earlbrown on August 21 2017, 05:39:52 PM
they also have the benefit of moving the tire away from the frame a little.
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: Scoobum on August 21 2017, 09:46:44 PM
There's an idiot up in The Great White North that's got about a gazzillion passes on a set of used aluminum drums...zero issues.
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: good2win22 on August 21 2017, 10:00:56 PM
I've been using aluminum drums for a long while with no issues. I don't get to the track as often as I like but when I do, I don't heat them drums when doing the burnout.  I use a line lock.


My brakes in the rear are set up as you mention gusszgs minus the Russel line. Braking is superb.


It's official, the dude that told me that is smoking crack. 


By the way, rock auto carries the drums at a lower price then Dennis and with an email coupon code you can get them to your door for less than what Dennis lists them on his site.
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: earlbrown on August 21 2017, 10:21:02 PM
There's an idiot up in The Great White North that's got about a gazzillion passes on a set of used aluminum drums...zero issues.


Yeah, both those guys use metric passes.  :)
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: Steve Wood on August 22 2017, 10:24:26 AM
I had a kilometric hall pass once
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: Scoobum on August 22 2017, 10:54:09 AM
Metric wasn't introduced up here till I was well into grade 12...so I'm exempt from it. I'm one of the best at keeping a straight face. I'd fuck the teachers up and ask things like...how many decalitres in a hectare...lol!

The metric version for gas mileage is the stupidest. X amount of litres per 100 kilometres. Seriously...wh at in the blue hell is that all about?!
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: Forzfed on August 22 2017, 11:42:14 AM
When I went to school metric was already being taught and we learned Imperial but I don't remember gas being sold by the gallon only liter.
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: nocooler on August 22 2017, 02:46:55 PM
Nothing like the Kirban tax!
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: gusszgs on August 22 2017, 03:18:39 PM
Robbery at gas station....... ...suspect wearing all black and approx 182cm tall, ya ever hear that?.......... we're a fuk'n joke!
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: gusszgs on August 22 2017, 03:20:00 PM
There's an idiot up in The Great White North that's got about a gazzillion passes on a set of used aluminum drums...zero issues.


Keep rock'n star!
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: Scoobum on August 22 2017, 03:30:18 PM
When I went to school metric was already being taught and we learned Imperial but I don't remember gas being sold by the gallon only liter.

The price of a litre of gas when we swapped from gallons was...25 cents. Currently a 1.02 a litre here in town. Got it for 95 cents at the track last week on the reserve.
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: Forzfed on August 22 2017, 04:37:01 PM
25 cents/gallon!!!  Fill me up! :D
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: gusszgs on August 22 2017, 06:12:08 PM
$4.63/imperial gal......wow what a deal  :rolleyes;
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: TexasT on August 22 2017, 07:24:40 PM
Our has just dropped below $2/gallon for the cheap stuff. I've been paying $2.5-85 per gallon for the 93 octane stuff.
I pulled , cleaned and regapped the plugs last week. I'm hoping for better than the 18 or so mpg I've been getting.

Is an imperial gallon four quarts just like an American Gallon?
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: Scoobum on August 22 2017, 07:33:22 PM
4.5 litres equals an Imperial gallon...
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: TexasT on August 22 2017, 08:29:40 PM
No wonder it cost so much. That sounds like a lot. A liter is more than a quart or less? I guess if it is less then the imperial gallon might be pretty close to the us gallon. I'll have to get on the google and see
Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: 1KWIKSIX on August 22 2017, 09:16:45 PM
An Imperial Gallon is 20% more than its US counterpart.
4.56Litres = 1 Imperial gallon / 3.785 litres = 1 US gallon

Title: Re: Steel vs aluminum drums
Post by: Scoobum on August 22 2017, 09:21:33 PM
And 125 bucks for a 5 US gallon pail of VP 112 on the reserve.
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