IHADAV8.com - Turbo Buick Tech, and Nonsense
Tech Area => General Buick Tech => Topic started by: Recklessrob on March 21 2006, 12:51:25 PM
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I've been shopping around for my engine build up.
The list includes:
Forged std stroke crank.
Forged connecting rods
SFI flexplate
SFI harmonic Balance
Has anyone priced any of this stuff ? Where did you find the best prices ?
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Hmm... do a search on the CAT cranks at TBs. I want to say they're about $300. Rods, I'd say shot peen and polish the stock ones, ARP bolts. Flexplate and balancer, I don't know.
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I found A crank and rods at fullthrottle. Crank
was $379 Rods were $439 The crank requires
Internal balancing, so you need a special harmonic
balance and flexplate, or modify the stock ones.
I found external flexplates at TA Perf for $206,
but their harmonic balancers were like $470 ! :bigeyes;
I think Postons sell harmonic balancers for $350 ish,
but I can't find my catalog right now.
I'm also lookin' for a good deal on 65# or larger high imp.
injectors. I'll look into the CAT crank though. Thanks.
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That worked. I found the CAT crank on eBay for $299+$39 for shipping.
The same seller also sells rods, so I asked if he sells Buick rods too.
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Nice. How much power you intend on making?
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Definatly upgrade the rods. I saw pics of what stock rods can do to the block if they break. Dont forget to call Nick for prices as an option.
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Definatly upgrade the rods. I saw pics of what stock rods can do to the block if they break. Dont forget to call Nick for prices as an option.
I e-mailed him last week, and I haven't heard back from him...
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What Natty...er Brian said! How much power, how big a turbo?
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Approx. 600hp for now, but I want the engine able
to accomodate more later.
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Aye way...
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I ordered a volt booster and one of those new cam sensors
with the LED from Caspers last night.
The stuff came with a free T shirt. :supz:
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http://www.fullthrottlespeed.com/
Go there, it says Just In or something on the right, Buick rods.
"Special Introductory Price of $439.99!
Finally, an affordable performance Connecting Rod. Regular Price $479.99
This is a true performance H-Beam rod for the Turbo Buick. This is a drop in replacment for the stock rod (re-balance may be needed, PLEASE check). Perfect for build ups with Eagle Scat or stock cranks. At this low price there is no need to trust 20 year old used rods in your new motor. Ready to ship now!
- Buick 5.960" Connecting Rod Set - 6 pcs.
-.940" Bushed Pin
- 2.249" Crank Pin
- ARP 2000 bolts
- .855" Journal Width"
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http://www.fullthrottlespeed.com/
Go there, it says Just In or something on the right, Buick rods.
"Special Introductory Price of $439.99!
Finally, an affordable performance Connecting Rod. Regular Price $479.99
This is a true performance H-Beam rod for the Turbo Buick. This is a drop in replacment for the stock rod (re-balance may be needed, PLEASE check). Perfect for build ups with Eagle Scat or stock cranks. At this low price there is no need to trust 20 year old used rods in your new motor. Ready to ship now!
- Buick 5.960" Connecting Rod Set - 6 pcs.
-.940" Bushed Pin
- 2.249" Crank Pin
- ARP 2000 bolts
- .855" Journal Width"
I found that. I also checked with the guy on eBay who sells the cranks, and
he's supposed to have the rods in June. He currently sells the Ford and Chevy
rods for $265 a set shipped ! My boss is looking into becoming a distributor
for them. So, I'll see what happens there. I like dealing with Mike L, so
I'll most likely buy the rods from him in order to have my engine in this Spring
rather than waiting.
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Oh hell yes! I'm even thinking of building an engie now, just for the hell of it!
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Just gave Kirbans an order.
Aluminum vac. block & gasket
Billet regulator
Stainless inlet pipe
Valve cover breather
Lower front brace
:supz:
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Ordered more stuff today.
Froged Crank
Forged rods
60# injectors
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Got those rods or what? Details Rob! Details!
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I got them from fullthrottle. Very nice people
to deal with. Mike did well on pricing.
He matched the eBay crank price and shipping.
I paid the listed $439 for the rods, and he
did the 115% deal on the flow matched injectors
with Racetronix's price.
Now I just have to wait for stuff to show up !
I got part of my Kirban order today. I'm still
waiting on the brace and fuel pressure regulator.
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The crank, rods, and injectors arrived. :supz:
I ordered a harmonic balancer and some small stuff from Poston's today.
Part of my Kirban's order arrived too. The Billet reg. is on backorder, and
the front end connecting brace hasn't showed up yet.
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When are you going to get this stuff put together? Getting parts in the mail is like christmas!
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When are you going to get this stuff put together? Getting parts in the mail is like christmas!
I'm figuring during May, if all goes well...
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The front end brace showed up today.
I also ordered a set of JE pistons. :supz:
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Damn RR, you win the lottery? Whats next on the list?
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RR must have been saving his money!
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RR must have been saving his money!
That as well as whoring myself out. :lala:
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The BHJ balancer, and billet waterneck arrived from Poston
today ! :supz:
The balancer is really nice too!
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More parts for the list:
SFI approved flexplate
Stainless intake and timing cover bolts
Hardened crank key
Heavy duty bolts for harmonic balance and flexplate
The above was from TA preformance
Also ordered piston rings and bearings through work.
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The regulator showed up today . :supz:
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All you need now is a girdle.
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I put gas in my car yesterday... thats kinda like getting cool parts..
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I put gas in my car yesterday... thats kinda like getting cool parts..
The way the gas prices are going that would add a lot of money to how much you spent on your car. :rofl;
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All you need now is a girdle.
I don't need one. I've already installed billet main caps and studs.
The way gas prices are going, you could quite possibly increase
the resale value of your car by simply having gas in it. :rofl;
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I paid $3.09 a gallon for the cheap shit today!
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I paid $3.09 a gallon for the cheap shit today!
The cheap stuff is $2.67 here and rising.
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[updown]Just under a quarter of a tank... :sad;[/updown]
[updown]I filled up premium... :psix;[/updown]
[updown]$44... :mad:[/updown]
[updown]Damn high-flow ported heads!!! :smt011[/updown]
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Just under a quarter of a tank... :sad;
I filled up premium... :psix;
$44... :mad:
Damn high-flow ported heads!!! :smt011
I'll take them off your hands, if you'd like. I can even hook you up
with some low flow un ported heads. :rolleyes:
Just kiddin', my heads are mostly done already.
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I'll take them off your hands, if you'd like. I can even hook you up
with some low flow un ported heads. :rolleyes:
Just kiddin', my heads are mostly done already.
Glad your kiddin'. Too much work taking them off. :D
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The flexplate and bolts arrived from TA today.
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I ordered some more parts today.
Braided oil cooler lines
braided turbo feed line and
braided drain pipe. I got everything
from John's Performance. So far, I'm
very impressed with the service. I placed
the order last night. John sent me an
e-mail informing me that he was out of stock on the
steel feed line, and gave me the option to delete it
from the order or upgrade to the braided hose.
I sent him a reply at lunch time, and received
a tracking number when I checked my e-mail tonight.
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That is great and sounds like great service.
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Yep, so far I'm very impressed. I can't wait to see the lines,
when they arrive...
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Johns Perf is great!
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I just got a valve spring set..to replace the worn out ones on the car..I love getting parts in the mail
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Oooh yeah! It's like getting a present! Is your work going to give you a day off to work on it?
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Oooh yeah! It's like getting a present! Is your work going to give you a day off to work on it?
Maybe next week
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Crap, bought more parts I didn't need...2 timing covers, set 83 bezels, 3rd brake light ...and a couple of pieces that I did need. plastic peice to cover driver side seat track for the 86... ok only one piece I needed
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I got my stuff from John's performance yesterday.
The quality is excellent. He accidently undercharged me,
so I e-mailed him to inform him. He thanked me for my honesty
and said don't worry about it. Bottom line, he'll get more of my buisness.
I have another idea too !
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OK, Its that time of year again. I'm shopping around for roller rockers.
Last year Summit had the Harland Sharp ones for $375, this year, they're $472.
Full throttle has them for $460. Anybody seen a better deal anywhere ?
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Ooh... tax time.
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Maybe call Nick? See what he has.
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Maybe call Nick? See what he has.
Last time I was lookin' for stuff, I e-mailed Nick a couple of times and he never replied. So I moved on.
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How much are T&D's?
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How much are T&D's?
Last time I looked, I think they were over $700.
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damn....
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I just looked again.
TA performance $525
T&D from white racing $454
I forget where I got that price, but it was like $759 from what I remember.
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Call him. If your about to buy it wouldnt hurt to try again, maybe he'll have a price you like? Or maybe he doesnt sell parts like that. Dont know.
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Whats up Rob? long time no talk to. what ratio are you looking for ? I have been thinking of adding a set of roller rockers 1.55's but it's either that or alky so well see, I think I am goin to have Russ Merrit take a look at my knock problem and look into the lifter preload also.
did you clearance the shaft pedistals yet? I wish someone told me to do this while I had the heads off. I am nervous about chips in my new engine. oh well, where are you at on your build? shortblock together yet?
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Call him. If your about to buy it wouldnt hurt to try again, maybe he'll have a price you like? Or maybe he doesnt sell parts like that. Dont know.
Maybe Nick should learn to respond to emails. There's too many other vendors that can give great service and know how to communicate.
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I've never had a problem communicating with Nick. Maybe he responded and RRs email dumped it to the junk folder? Maybe it was overlooked? Maybe Nick dosnt want to bother with selling parts? Who knows?
I wouldnt just pass it off because you know how communicating through emails can be.
Maybe spending $20 more to buy from a vendor who has excellent communicating skills is worth it. But if you arnt going to need tech after the sale, is the $20 worth worrying about communication?
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I put the crank in last week, but thats as far as I got.
As for rockers, I'm looking at 1.6 ratio.
I bought a few more things from Jack Cotton this past weekend.
RJC deep oil pan
Cometic head gaskets
HR Parts motor mounts
and an aluminum MAF pipe
As for clearancing the pedestals, I think that only applies
to certain manufacturers and designs.
I haven't called anyone on the rockers yet.
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I posted a wanted on one of the other boards and got an offer on a set of 1.65's I can get you his e-mail if your interested. I was told the h.s. need to be clearanced in not sure about t&d's I'll have to check into that one.
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I posted a wanted on one of the other boards and got an offer on a set of 1.65's I can get you his e-mail if your interested. I was told the h.s. need to be clearanced in not sure about t&d's I'll have to check into that one.
Depending on which valve springs are used,
sometimes the underside of the rocker itself has to be clearanced to clear the spring retainer. You shouldn't have a problem with that. I don't want to go to 1.65 ratio
because sometimes those create another clearance issue with the pushrods and the head. I could open that area up more, but I'd rather not.
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Just ordered a set of 1.60's and a billet timing set.
Muh ha ha ha ha ha ! :evil;
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Mua hahahahah!!!!! I'm "evil grinnin' " over he-ah!
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I missed a call from Dave earlier. I'm going racing this weekend.
I'll continue work on the Buick during the week. :evil;
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RR, you made me jealous....bet ween Your engine parts, Jims vette, Chris' vacations, KMA's rustang and Sylvans threats to beat me at buying RJC's intercooler, I decided to buy something nice for myself. I hope Sylvan isnt going to be too upset.
Jim, I'll send you your intercooler when I get it off.
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Don't forget! I bought an RJC intercooler last year!! LOL
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Awwwwwwwww DAMN!!!!!!! lol I guess Sylvans going to have to follow in the footsteps of TWO great men, not one.
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I haven't decided on what I'm going to run for an intercoller.
I'm thinking a stretched stocker or something along that idea...
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Woo Hooo ! here are some pics...
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Awwwwwwwww DAMN!!!!!!! lol I guess Sylvans going to have to follow in the footsteps of TWO great men, not one.
He gets sloppy 3rds.....Ha Ha
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Nice work Rob.
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Very nice!
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Hey RR, take pics of the machining you've done for the girdle and whatever else. Close up shots.
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Hey RR, take pics of the machining you've done for the girdle and whatever else. Close up shots.
There isn't a girdle, just billet and studded mains.
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Wow, I've never seen clean Buick parts before! Very nice!
Robert, even with me following you you're *still* in my shadow. :rofl;
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Got more stuff today !
Water pump
billet vacuum block
billet IAC relocator
A billet oil breather
Oh yeah, and I won a set of Russ Merritt's ignition wires at the NEBRA BBQ ! :supz:
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RR, with your string of good luck you might wanna hit up a casino!
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Received new SFI flexplate for TSMG's car yesterday.
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Hey Bryan, do you have to have the sticker with you when you go to the track? I dont have it anymore. When they look your car over, how do they know?
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Ya know, I've never thought of asking about that, But I've never had anything fast enough to worry about it either. They're noticably different from a stocker anyway.
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I thought you had to have it if you were in the tens?
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I thought you had to have it if you were in the tens?
You do, but I don't know the procedure for proving/checking them.
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They come with a little sticker you put on them, kinda like a foil official sticker. But they dont put them on the flexplate cuz they fall off so there on a piece of paper that you show the tech people. But since there different than stockers than they could tell.
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Hey Bryan, do you have to have the sticker with you when you go to the track? I dont have it anymore. When they look your car over, how do they know?
I am not sure. I also have never had a car fast enough to necessitate it. I have gone to the track with others that ran tens but never noticed any specific check for SFI flexplate certification.
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Both my flexplate and harmonic dampner came with SFI stickers and paperwork.
Even my old 310 cid SBC had them, but I was never asked to show them.
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Here are the latest pics...
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Received new SFI flexplate for TSMG's car yesterday.
:supz: :supz: :supz: :supz: :supz: :supz: :snakeman:
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Sweet pics Rob!!
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Those pictures give me wood.
Sad...
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The oil pan is all torqued on and I milled the rocker pedestals
to clear the roller rockers today... :jerkit;
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Here are some pics...
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I got a precision plenum and accufab 70mm TB last week.
I did a little work on the plenum. I still have to transfer the pics
from my camera.
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Your motor is giving me chub Rob. When do you think you'll be firing that bitch up?
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This spring. :psix;
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OK, here are some plenum pics.
This is a precision 70mm plenum.
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Heres more
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...'smore 2
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s'more pics...
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....and more.
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Have I told you I hate you...damn that looks good
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Damn Rob, how long you been on this motor? Coming up on 2 patient years. Excellent work.
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Customer stuff comes first, then mine. :evil; Muh ha ha ha !
Don't be a hatin' , We can build you one too. :supz:
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Looks good RR!!
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Got some more done today.
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Ordered a new downpipe and some little "goodies" from SE Turbo today.
They seen like really nice people.
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Did you go with the 3.5"? That thing is gonna be a beast!
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Did you go with the 3.5"? That thing is gonna be a beast!
When you going to get your's back together?
Rob they have some nice stuff and are nice people, just don't have them work on your cah
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I was originally going to get a 3.5", but the ones they have are aluminized steel.
Aluminized parts don't last very long here in New England due to all the salt.
I don't typically drive my cah in the Winter, but I want it to last too. I was also
concerned that a 3.5" may have clearance issues since I'm running HR puff'n'stuff
mounts with 20 year old body bushings. Also most say there isn't any benefit
from a 3.5" until you're running a 70+ turbo.
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Pushrods are in. :D
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Heres some recent pics...
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Wow, very nice Rob.... :bigeyes;
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If you don't see me online for 10 days or so, does mean that I'm sneaking over to steal your engine......
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If you don't see me online for 10 days or so, does mean that I'm sneaking over to steal your engine......
Its stored well within a high security facility.
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I just got the TA headers from UPS today. Got the down pipe a while back,
and bought an LPW rear end girdle while I was at Cotton's.
....and someday all this stuff will make it into the cah. :rolleyes;
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If you don't see me online for 10 days or so, does mean that I'm sneaking over to steal your engine......
Its stored well within a high security facility.
You don't know it, but it's already missing
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You don't know it, but it's already missing
You failed because its still there...
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I know where it is. :snakeman:
Rob,
How's it going buddy?
There's a Buick's only race at NED on June 21. Get that thing together...qui ck! Check the NEBRA site for details. I just saw that Joe Midolo just got another Buick. There goes the neighborhood. J/K
See ya!
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I was at Cotton's when that whole idea was proposed. I signed up while I was there.
I'm still planning on having the engine in this Spring, but don't know excatly when. There is alot of stuff going on here right now that has to be dealt with first.
Plus I still don't have a throttle lever, return springs etc... for the new TB.
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Rob,
What size turbo have you decided (or not decided) on? What is you goal for ET? My turbo and TC are still in the box. Some of the new BB sruff looks pretty good and you won't need to go crazy on the stall.
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I'm staying with the 44 I bought a couple years back with my modded D5.
I prepped the engine for water lines to allow for future upgrades though.
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Tuned right with a 44 and it'll still get you booted without a bar. That's what I'm hoping for this year. Maybe at least a warning. :D
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We should atempt it at the same time... :rofl;
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Started pulling the engine tonight. Looking into some rear wheels and drag radials.
Any recommendation s ?
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drag radials.
Let us know.
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Started pulling the engine tonight. Looking into some rear wheels and drag radials.
Any recommendation s ?
All I can say is that I've owned the BFGs and the MTs. The MTs are awesome.
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Started pulling the engine tonight. Looking into some rear wheels and drag radials.
Any recommendation s ?
Try the Goodyear Drag Radials. I would also suggest Bogart Wheels.
(http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/drag-racing/21297d1163818718-goodyear-dot-drag-radials-dragradial1.jpg)
(http://www.hotairbuick.com/pictures/bogart.png)
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Started pulling the engine tonight. Looking into some rear wheels and drag radials.
Any recommendation s ?
All I can say is that I've owned the BFGs and the MTs. The MTs are awesome.
I have MTs and love them, but I got them before I went to work for Goodyear.I am not even sure if Goodyear had released their Drag Radial at that time. My next set will be the Goodyear Eagle S/S.
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Wrecked', can I get a pic of the tread on that tire?
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Wrecked', can I get a pic of the tread on that tire?
I'd like to see that too.
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Wrecked', can I get a pic of the tread on that tire?
(http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/drag-racing/21296d1163818718-goodyear-dot-drag-radials-dragradial.jpg)
Ask and you shall receive.
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The new engine is in the cah. Now I'm working on making all those bolt on parts actually fit. (Ie: movig fuel return and vapor lines that the down pipe touches, cutting the pass side inner fender to get it away from the down pipe, modifying the pinchweld between the floor pan and the firewall to make room for the down pipe, waiting for header wrap for the down pipe, Adapting a '95 S-10 A/C compressor,
realizing that I had gotten the wrong reciever dryer for the A/C, Waiting for
pullies, waiting for turbo filter system, shortening bolts that come with RJC valve cover spacers, making special stud bolts for use with valve cover spacers, insulating
starter wiring so it doesn't burn on TA crossover pipe, etc...)
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Well all the parts that I ordered all showed up at once - today.
RJC sent me plain aluminum pullies instead of the black ones that I requested.
Just left Jason a voice mail. Now I have to wait for him to call back.
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Jason called this afternoon. Black pullies are on the way.
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DP
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You my friend have alot of work ahead of you! Then again, I am about a week late responding, so your prob done by now..lol
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DP
SE Turbo 3' ss
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Nice.
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Update:
Got it running Wed night.
Retorqued the head gaskets Thursday night (None of the studs lost any torque
so that ended up being an unnecessary pain in the ass) Drove it around for
the first time with the new engine.
Friday, I drove it to work and aorund at lunchtime. Friday night I got the A/C
working for the first time since I've owned it.
Saturday I raced it.
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.....and race it he did. There's some analog video of it. It's the black turbo regal. Wait a minute....ther e was about 20 of them. Hopefully Rob can recognize his car from among the rest of them.
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Very, Very, nice.
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Thata boy Rob! Break it in and break it! Get some vids man.
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Yo Rob, you get the video up somewhere yet??
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Yo Rob, you get the video up somewhere yet??
Not yet, I haven't had time to put it on the computer yet.
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Heres the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CztPWzZSJY
:psix;
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Very cool Rob, glad to see Ringo made an appearance with the dog. lol. :psix;
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OK, I just bought a mystery part. Anyone care to venture some guesses ?
:evil;
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Fuck, what DON'T you have man? :)
I got my money on a shifter. Hurst Quarter Stick?
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Fuck, what DON'T you have man? :)
I got my money on a shifter. Hurst Quarter Stick?
Nope, not even close...
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Is it related to the rear end?
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Is it related to the rear end?
Nope.
I started installing it tonight...
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I give up. WTF is it?
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A hood mounted fuel pressure gauge
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Rob, c'mon. How many fucking parts can we name? Give us a clue?
I'm gambling on a suspension part. He said installing 'it', not 'them.' Hmm...
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Its big, and the shipping label said it weighs 42 lbs...
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Its big, and the shipping label said it weighs 42 lbs...
I knew it! It's a Kenyan exchange student!
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Its big, and the shipping label said it weighs 42 lbs...
I knew it! It's a Kenyan exchange student!
I think you confused this with Zap's mail order bride ...
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Its big, and the shipping label said it weighs 42 lbs...
Rear sway Bar
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Is it related to the rear end?
Rear sway Bar?
Not in the rear. I had to relocate an oil filter for clearance.
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New stock location intercooler?
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New stock location intercooler?
Ding, Ding, Ding !!! We have a winnah !
Yep, Preciscion. Its F'ing big too !
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Nice! I like those too.
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It was a slow day at work yesterday, so I went home and got the GN.
I went back to work and installed an HR rear transmission mount. I
also fixed the deteriorated rubber exhaust hanger while I was there.
This weekend I had to modify the right front frame brace to clear the
intercooler. Brought it home to paint it, and put it back on yesterday
as well. Then I got ambitious and installed some of the missing body
bushings along with new bolts.
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Here is a pic that was taken tonight.
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Looks great!!! :supz:
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Cute little engine there Reckless...Now come fix mine so I can knock your socks off! Yeah I'm too lazy... You can even do the N.O.S. !:smt071
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Cute little engine there Reckless...Now come fix mine so I can knock your socks off! Yeah I'm too lazy... You can even do the N.O.S. !:smt071
Only problem is that huffing NOS makes me giggle and fall asleep. I'd never get to finishing the rest of it...
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Nice!!