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Tech Area => General Buick Tech => Topic started by: Steve Wood on September 18 2012, 06:50:34 PM
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we need a small terminal box about 2" long (5 cm) that would mount under the dash and provide a terminal for engine ground, ignition 12 volts, and battery 12 volts.
After 25 years, I have so many frickin' wires spliced into things and disappearing into rat's nest of tie wrapped wiring bundles that I have no clue as to what goes where. I have to put a jack under the under dash panel to push everything up to reinstall it and it still bulges down toward my size 12 feet.
I actually redid a lot of it a few years back but it is out of control again. Took me an hour to get all the LC-1 crap out of the car and most of that was just trying to figure out what wires went where and where it was safe to cut.
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sometimes you have to break out the hedge clippers and cut out the rats nest and start over.
nothing like looking at a foot long piece of wire with 5 butt splices and 4 cut off pigtails
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I did that a few years ago, but, it's out of control again.
On my old Challenger, I just started wiring things they way should have done it back in the '70s instead of send a firetrap out the customer.
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Basically, what I want is three bus bars in a plastic box....everyth ing I see is uncovered which is inviting trouble
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We also need some factory supplied holes in the firewall for running stuff thru...pop out the plug and put in a grommet. It's amazing how many wires you can run thru the speedometer grommet but, it contributes to the mess. It's hard to find a spot to drill a hole with access from under the hood and a clear path to the interior without hitting something.
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Have you looked at the marine stuff, blue sea etc
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=11684&familyName=Blue+Sea+Systems+ST+Blade+6+Circuit+Fuse+Blocks (http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=11684&familyName=Blue+Sea+Systems+ST+Blade+6+Circuit+Fuse+Blocks)
http://www.wiringproducts.com/contents/en-us/d136_fuse_block_fuse_panel.html?gclid=CMu7ptvFwLICFdEWMgoddzIAyg (http://www.wiringproducts.com/contents/en-us/d136_fuse_block_fuse_panel.html?gclid=CMu7ptvFwLICFdEWMgoddzIAyg)
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Not specifically.. mainly because I was looking for terminal points and was not particularly interested in fuses....I have considered something like the Painless Cirkit Boss...tho. But, I really want a source for a good interior ground, ign 12, and battery 12v as I said...nice and simple....
Most things leave it to you to find a good ground and not all interior sheet metal is created equal when it comes to ground quality. Can really screw up something like a WB
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http://images2.mcmaster.com/Contents/gfx/large/7626k33p1l.png?ver=5387591 (http://images2.mcmaster.com/Contents/gfx/large/7626k33p1l.png?ver=5387591)
(http://images2.mcmaster.com/Contents/gfx/large/7626k33p1l.png?ver=5387591)
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do you still have the page link open for that one?
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http://www.mcmaster.com/#terminal-blocks/=jcqfeo (http://www.mcmaster.com/#terminal-blocks/=jcqfeo)
used this for AC before
7626K53
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7626K86 (http://www.mcmaster.com/#7626K86)
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Looks like overkill and expensive...bu t I ordered a couple...
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I share your frustration
There are some nice din rail parts but not really small or suited for auto use.
Fabricating Dual Screw terminal strips in a box using the ganged connector on the opposite side of the term strip is another alternative
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I need one for the Challenger as well....since I built a new instrument panel, I would like to wire it to something more substantial that the rotten, burned, rat chewed, repaired wiring that comprises the current dash harness.
On the buicks, I think I will mount it on the hvac box near the PL block so I can reach thru the glove box and change something without having to remove the under dash panel and try to find my way thru the maze of wiring.
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A hinged panel that swings down holding the distribution would be real sexy
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I am too old for sexy, but, functional works for me!
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I need one for the Challenger as well....since I built a new instrument panel, I would like to wire it to something more substantial that the rotten, burned, rat chewed, repaired wiring that comprises the current dash harness.
On the buicks, I think I will mount it on the hvac box near the PL block so I can reach thru the glove box and change something without having to remove the under dash panel and try to find my way thru the maze of wiring.
Great idea!
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should be easy to find what you need in the high end auto stereo/speaker world
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should be easy to find what you need in the high end auto stereo/speaker world
They would probably want a credit check before talking to me
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Shady-ass Texan. :hmm
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time to barter!
its only a matter of time, anyways
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I ordered two from McMaster Carr last night
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I have the Buss Box Dave posted with 10 slots (5 per side) mounted on the back of my glovebox. Open it up (empty it) & hit the side rod & it's all sitting right there labeled.
I bet I removed 10 feet of garbage wire & now it's clean & easy to access.
Looks like this one & all 10 fuses are being used. Stock box is stock with no added jungle!
http://www.wiringproducts.com/contents/en-us/d136_fuse_block_fuse_panel.html?gclid=CMu7ptvFwLICFdEWMgoddzIAyg (http://www.wiringproducts.com/contents/en-us/d136_fuse_block_fuse_panel.html?gclid=CMu7ptvFwLICFdEWMgoddzIAyg)
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Must be cold, oxygen ladened air that makes you guys so much smarter than me! :D
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I have the Buss Box Dave posted with 10 slots (5 per side) mounted on the back of my glovebox. Open it up (empty it) & hit the side rod & it's all sitting right there labeled.
I bet I removed 10 feet of garbage wire & now it's clean & easy to access.
Looks like this one & all 10 fuses are being used. Stock box is stock with no added jungle!
http://www.wiringproducts.com/contents/en-us/d136_fuse_block_fuse_panel.html?gclid=CMu7ptvFwLICFdEWMgoddzIAyg (http://www.wiringproducts.com/contents/en-us/d136_fuse_block_fuse_panel.html?gclid=CMu7ptvFwLICFdEWMgoddzIAyg)
can you take a nice pic of it installed and wired for us? Pretty please?
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No problem do it tomorrow am. I posted pics a few years back on the other site but have no idea what thread??? Works very well! The labeling needs a professional look instead of just my scribbles. I also tagged each wire about 1 foot back with tape to make a 2nd label.
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Must be cold, oxygen ladened air that makes you guys so much smarter than me! :D
More like Boring Winters that drive me to do projects that I would otherwise never finish. As I get older i really don't like the Cold! Amazing as Kids growing up in Winterpeg we would skate & play hockey (what else EH?) for hours in -30* with 25 mph winds until our toes were so Frozen & Purple you could barely walk!! :O
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I have the Buss Box Dave posted with 10 slots (5 per side) mounted on the back of my glovebox. Open it up (empty it) & hit the side rod & it's all sitting right there labeled.
I bet I removed 10 feet of garbage wire & now it's clean & easy to access.
Looks like this one & all 10 fuses are being used. Stock box is stock with no added jungle!
http://www.wiringproducts.com/contents/en-us/d136_fuse_block_fuse_panel.html?gclid=CMu7ptvFwLICFdEWMgoddzIAyg (http://www.wiringproducts.com/contents/en-us/d136_fuse_block_fuse_panel.html?gclid=CMu7ptvFwLICFdEWMgoddzIAyg)
The question is: How many times have you forgotten to empty it first? :icon_lol:
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He has some one come in and take care of that weekly
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Shot these at 7am & didn't spend time cleaning it up from last time I was back there so altho messy it works well. I use Industrial Strength Velco & it's stayed for over 3-4 years.
It could use better labels but I can read them.
I bought it off Tim years ago & just figured it's easy access. :atbeer:
PL hookup is right beside it.
Pos & Neg are direct to the engine.
I just counted only 8 fuses not 10.
You can see the Alky Control box in the back corner as well.
PS: The screwdriver is the same one the Guys found under my hood at Timmies 3 weeks ago!!
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That certainly makes for an easy access and a drop down panel to boot! I like it, David!
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You need to invite one of the Long boys over to show you how to dress and route your wires :)
Lacing?
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Thanks Steve it works well. Just needs to be a bit more tidy looking that would only take 5 mins work & some wire ties. I weighs almost nothing so the Velcro works great! :cheers:
I got to use my Cheers guy today!! Yay!!!! :cheers:
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You need to invite one of the Long boys over to show you how to dress and route your wires :)
Lacing?
I bet if I gave that to Tim for a day it would be the cleanest install ever & would stand up at any car show! Maybe I need to buy him a big breakfast & then ditch the car there for a day! :player:
He gets the case of beer when he's finished or else we will both end up doing a lot of bench racing & not much else!!
I'll bet is still cleaner than Norb's Hornets nest!! :rofl:
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/me considers starting a fund to get Just a Six a new camera.
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/me considers starting a fund to get Just a Six a new camera.
I just got it & 2nd time I used it!! Cannon Powershot
I guess at 7am I'm not yet fully Awake & I didn't do a very good job!!!
I like how the dash has LIMITED & you see 2 of them! Just a little double vision with a shaky hand! :hmm
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I have been using my phone for pics and often I am too close or too shaking....
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/me considers starting a fund to get Just a Six a new camera.
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Might be overkill at 90 amps, but, this does exactly what I wanted. three feeds in and each feed has four out altho given the size of the terminals, one can put several wires in one if needed.
Thanks to Dave!
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You should be a hand model Steve :icon_lol:
( you cleaned up good after the last shots :) )
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between the cars having about half an inch of dirt on everything, and my hands being grease displays....I cannot dispute the allegation
My biggest problem, changing the subject, is that I never shorten the length of any wiring harness...I just roll it up and stuff it up in the dash....new AFX has 13 ft of harness and the warnings are somewhat unclear as to if anything can be shortened....t hink the excess can go under the hood with the dirt, oil, etc.