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Title: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: Just a Six? on September 15 2011, 04:32:21 PM
I just got my NOS front cover yesterday & it has the factory installed rope seal gasket.
The factory did a real nice job installing it & altho I have new Neoprene seals, I am hesitant to remove the rope seal without a good reason. It does have a sort of factory wax applied to it so it's not brittle.
Should I replace it or leave it alone?

Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: Steve Wood on September 15 2011, 05:37:12 PM
if you like drips..keep it..otherwise pop it out and use neoprene...
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: Just a Six? on September 15 2011, 07:50:35 PM
Ok I'll pop it out & throw in on of the Neoprene ones I have.
This cover sure has a lot of sharp edges on it & needs some light dremmel work. The gear pockets look almost chrome like from the factory finish! :)
Now to measure everything to compare to my 3 spare covers that are all used.
I'm curious how close or worn the tolerences are on them.
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: SuperSix on September 16 2011, 09:45:56 AM
I just bought an NOS front cover - Earl informed me mine's a Chinese copy. I don't want to scrimp on the part that oils everything else. :)

I will port and prep per Earl's instructions, blueprint the oil pump with Steve's instructions, and install the KB booster plate as well. Oil pressure shouldn't be an issue.
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: gordyzx9r on September 16 2011, 10:09:47 AM
Where are you getting the neoprene seals from?
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: Just a Six? on September 16 2011, 10:27:32 AM
Where are you getting the neoprene seals from?

Any parts house or a vendor.
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: SuperSix on September 16 2011, 10:30:17 AM
Anywhere, basically. Autozone, etc.
http://www.rockauto.com/dbphp/x,catalog,6,partnum,TCS45930,d,fel-pro_TCS45930.html (http://www.rockauto.com/dbphp/x,catalog,6,partnum,TCS45930,d,fel-pro_TCS45930.html)
http://www.rockauto.com/dbphp/x,catalog,13,partnum,710162,d,National_710162.html (http://www.rockauto.com/dbphp/x,catalog,13,partnum,710162,d,National_710162.html)

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/Felpro-Timing-Cover-Gasket/1987-Buick-Regal/_/N-iidqmZ8znn8?counter=1&itemIdentifier=580451_0_9266_ (http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/Felpro-Timing-Cover-Gasket/1987-Buick-Regal/_/N-iidqmZ8znn8?counter=1&itemIdentifier=580451_0_9266_)
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: Just a Six? on September 16 2011, 10:35:21 AM
Notice the cam sensor prices at Rock Auto lately? $300+ Wow!
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: SuperSix on September 16 2011, 11:16:18 AM
Notice the cam sensor prices at Rock Auto lately? $300+ Wow!

Hmm.. I hadn't./ maybe I should get a spare from TB.com if those guys are selling them still. I think they were selling a Standard part that had a GM PN on it or something
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: Just a Six? on September 16 2011, 11:59:25 AM
That was a couple years back when I grabbed 3 for about $75 each shipped I think? Lowest I ever saw was $50 each. Now they are long gone unless there are a few guys with some stashed but I doubt the $100 prices will be seen again.
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: SuperSix on September 16 2011, 12:16:48 PM
I remember YEARS ago they were selling for $300.00.

The ebb and flow on parts pricing is entertaining. :)
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: Charlief1 on September 16 2011, 02:36:43 PM
I've got one that I won't be using but I can't find the damn thing. After all, mine uses a distributor so I don't have a use for it. If I find it one of you can get it from me.
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: Just a Six? on September 16 2011, 07:33:44 PM
The reason I mentioned the cam sensor is that a local here needs one so I gave him one to use for the rest of summer. If one does pop up he will be looking.
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: earlbrown on September 18 2011, 10:09:19 PM
Knock that metal ring out to remove the seal. Dremel down the three tits that staked the ring in and install the neoprene seal.
  Don't forget to put some jizz on the rubber to keep it from burning up. (that also applies to the new front seal as well)



I will port and prep per Earl's instructions, blueprint the oil pump with Steve's instructions, and install the KB booster plate as well. Oil pressure shouldn't be an issue.


You can't follow Earl's instructions AND use that POS booster plate......
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: Charlief1 on September 18 2011, 10:32:35 PM
Knock that metal ring out to remove the seal. Dremel down the three tits that staked the ring in and install the neoprene seal.
  Don't forget to put some jizz on the rubber to keep it from burning up. (that also applies to the new front seal as well)



I will port and prep per Earl's instructions, blueprint the oil pump with Steve's instructions, and install the KB booster plate as well. Oil pressure shouldn't be an issue.

You can't follow Earl's instructions AND use that POS booster plate......

He does exist! :icon_super:
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: Steve Wood on September 18 2011, 11:49:33 PM
Knock that metal ring out to remove the seal. Dremel down the three tits that staked the ring in and install the neoprene seal.
  Don't forget to put some jizz on the rubber to keep it from burning up. (that also applies to the new front seal as well)



I will port and prep per Earl's instructions, blueprint the oil pump with Steve's instructions, and install the KB booster plate as well. Oil pressure shouldn't be an issue.


You can't follow Earl's instructions AND use that POS booster plate......

No you can't!  Leave the gimmicks out
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: daveismissing on September 19 2011, 12:32:44 AM
Nice to hear from Earl, guess we just have to piss him off...

Pretty sure we can find those Standard Auto Parts cam sensors on ebay for much less.
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: Just a Six? on September 19 2011, 08:36:50 AM
Nice to hear from Earl, guess we just have to piss him off...

Pretty sure we can find those Standard Auto Parts cam sensors on ebay for much less.


Dave if you do a local needs one. The best price I've found is $150 used.
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: daveismissing on September 19 2011, 08:53:19 AM
ebay # 360380386612

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/360380386612 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/360380386612)
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: Just a Six? on September 19 2011, 11:37:00 AM
ebay # 360380386612

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/360380386612 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/360380386612)

Dave I'll pass it on to Dave so thanks from David!
Too many Dave's here!
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: Steve Wood on September 19 2011, 11:45:25 AM
remember that you can often shim the shaft to take out excessive play and keep using the original.  At least the caps are more reasonable.  I bought a couple of spares back when Zap found them online for around $50  (complete sensor)
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: Just a Six? on September 19 2011, 11:57:24 AM
remember that you can often shim the shaft to take out excessive play and keep using the original.  At least the caps are more reasonable.  I bought a couple of spares back when Zap found them online for around $50  (complete sensor)

Actually all he needs is a cap but has only found them thru Caspers so far. He isnt on the boards very often but does remember reading the lighted caps had issues. I haven't heard any complaints lately so maybe it was just the 1st batch? Do you know if they fixed the problems they had? If so, the lighted cap would be somewhat easier to install.
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: SuperSix on September 19 2011, 12:08:50 PM
You may want to check with these guys and see if they have any left:

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/parts-sale/350975-screamin-deal-new-complete-gm-delco-cam-sensors.html (http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/parts-sale/350975-screamin-deal-new-complete-gm-delco-cam-sensors.html)

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/parts-sale/353496-new-complete-cam-sensors-109-afpr-horn-pad-coil-packs-more.html (http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/parts-sale/353496-new-complete-cam-sensors-109-afpr-horn-pad-coil-packs-more.html)
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: Just a Six? on September 19 2011, 12:28:09 PM
Thanks! I have dealt with Jud a couple times & he is a good guy to deal with.
Title: Re: NOS Front Cover with Rope Seal?
Post by: Steve Wood on September 19 2011, 02:05:25 PM
I am not aware of any real issues with the Casper caps and John always makes things right
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