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Title: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: William Brophy on August 09 2011, 07:55:52 PM
I think it may be a fuseable link, everything is still stock as far as that goes, which one would it be i.e. look like and hook to or maybe it's something else. If it is a fuseable link would it be better to just substude a wire and what size? What no spellll check on here?  :D
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: Steve Wood on August 09 2011, 08:11:47 PM
William, problem with the fusible link theory is that the lights are on a different link from the ignition system.


the fan is on a different link from those two and the blower relay is on another...


So, why don't you check to see if there is power on the red wire going to the blower relay on the hvac box?  I am going to assume that you have checked the voltage on the battery and it is showing normal voltage?  Does the check engine light come on with the key to on?


Have you done a visual check of the  fusible links where they attach to the starter to be sure that none, or all, of them are burned?  Normally you can look at them and tell if they are blown because they burn the insulation off
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: Texas Turbo T on August 09 2011, 08:12:37 PM
First, check battery connections. They can look good from the outside, but still have corrosion between the post and cable causing it to lose connection!

Second,  if a fuse link is blown there is a problem somewhere. Needs to get fixed!

Third, replace burnt fuse link with a new fuse link after problem is found ! ! !
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: William Brophy on August 10 2011, 03:36:22 AM
I turned the key to start the car which ran fine yesterday and I heard a quick shorting out type of noise. Everything seems dead, no check engine light and I have not had a chance to check anything out yet but because the car is blocking the driveway I will get to it tomorrow/today.
I was looking for as much information and sugestions that I could get before crawing all over the car. I will let you guys know what I find. Thanks Bill

Edit: Is there some reason why I was not notified by e-mail that I had responses to my thread? Something I need to change.
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: $1987 GN$ on August 10 2011, 07:37:28 AM
How is the switch it self, loose starts without the key etc?

AJ___
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: Steve Wood on August 10 2011, 08:33:10 AM
How is the switch it self, loose starts without the key etc?

AJ___

The key, itself, has nothing to do with the ignition switch.  Switch is down on the column activated by a rod from the key cylinder
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: $1987 GN$ on August 10 2011, 08:41:48 AM
How is the switch it self, loose starts without the key etc?

AJ___

The key, itself, has nothing to do with the ignition switch.  Switch is down on the column activated by a rod from the key cylinder

Correct

AJ___
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: ULYCYC on August 10 2011, 08:59:22 AM
Look for a burnt pos. cable shorting out on the header.
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: Just a Six? on August 10 2011, 09:49:50 AM

The key, itself, has nothing to do with the ignition switch.  Switch is down on the column activated by a rod from the key cylinder
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It's a purple wire that goes to starter. I pinched mine with the tranny one time & everything went out like yours has done. Check the purple wire connection at the starter & make sure its good & the wire itself didnt get burnt or something.
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: Turbodave on August 10 2011, 11:56:06 AM
I turned the key to start the car which ran fine yesterday and I heard a quick shorting out type of noise. Everything seems dead, no check engine light and I have not had a chance to check anything out yet but because the car is blocking the driveway I will get to it tomorrow/today.
I was looking for as much information and sugestions that I could get before crawing all over the car. I will let you guys know what I find. Thanks Bill

Edit: Is there some reason why I was not notified by e-mail that I had responses to my thread? Something I need to change.

Sometimes that type of symptom would indicate a bad connection at the battery.  Usually caused by corrosion under the main connector on the positive lead.. Remove them both, clean up the connections real good and give it another try.
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: SuperSix on August 10 2011, 12:06:57 PM
I turned the key to start the car which ran fine yesterday and I heard a quick shorting out type of noise. Everything seems dead, no check engine light and I have not had a chance to check anything out yet but because the car is blocking the driveway I will get to it tomorrow/today.
I was looking for as much information and sugestions that I could get before crawing all over the car. I will let you guys know what I find. Thanks Bill

Edit: Is there some reason why I was not notified by e-mail that I had responses to my thread? Something I need to change.

Sometimes that type of symptom would indicate a bad connection at the battery.  Usually caused by corrosion under the main connector on the positive lead.. Remove them both, clean up the connections real good and give it another try.

This would be the first thing to check. Sometimes you can't see the corrosion with side post batteries.
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: William Brophy on August 10 2011, 10:26:55 PM


Sometimes that type of symptom would indicate a bad connection at the battery.  Usually caused by corrosion under the main connector on the positive lead.. Remove them both, clean up the connections real good and give it another try.

 
That is what it turned out to be. My connections are plated and looked clean as a pin.The top terminals on the battery read approx 12 volts but the side terminals read less than 1 volt so I brushed everything and now its fine. Thanks Bill
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: SuperSix on August 10 2011, 11:25:12 PM
Awesome!!
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: Texas Turbo T on August 11 2011, 12:03:12 AM
First, check battery connections. They can look good from the outside, but still have corrosion between the post and cable causing it to lose connection!

Hmm..... ? ? ?
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: Steve Wood on August 11 2011, 08:55:27 AM



  I am going to assume that you have checked the voltage on the battery and it is showing normal voltage? 






Hmmmm LOL
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: Just a Six? on August 11 2011, 11:50:50 AM



  I am going to assume that you have checked the voltage on the battery and it is showing normal voltage? 




3rd time was the charm!  ;)


Hmmmm LOL
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: $1987 GN$ on August 11 2011, 02:37:34 PM



  I am going to assume that you have checked the voltage on the battery and it is showing normal voltage? 




3rd time was the charm!  ;)


Hmmmm LOL

You know he knew that.  :add_wegbrech:

AJ___
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: Steve Wood on August 11 2011, 03:28:15 PM
LOL!  must have been!
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: William Brophy on August 11 2011, 06:28:43 PM
We all know Steve knows his stuff! In his post he covered "all the bases as usual" in a respectful, constructive, polite and matter of fact style (unlike me  :D ). It's been a couple of years since I have had to touch anything on this car and frankly forgot alot of the in's and out's, like the fuseable links,  how many, and what they are for.
 BUT I KNEW WHERE TO GO TO GET THE INFORMATION!!!   :023:
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: SuperSix on August 11 2011, 06:32:58 PM
We all know Steve knows his stuff! In his post he covered "all the bases as usual" in a respectful, constructive, polite and matter of fact style (unlike me  :D ). It's been a couple of years since I have had to touch anything on this car and frankly forgot alot of the in's and out's, like the fuseable links,  how many, and what they are for.
 BUT I KNEW WHERE TO GO TO GET THE INFORMATION!!!   :023:

IHADAV8.COM!! w00t! :D
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: Texas Turbo T on August 11 2011, 07:46:17 PM
Wish I could have added something helpful! :rolleyes;

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Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: William Brophy on August 12 2011, 12:22:26 PM
Wish I could have added something helpful! :rolleyes;

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Just to let you know, your post and that other guy's post were the only two that I got a chance to read before looking the car over.
Title: Re: Turned key and lost all electrical, lights, starter, horn, cigarette lighter
Post by: Texas Turbo T on August 12 2011, 04:21:12 PM
Just to let you know, your post and that other guy's post where the only two that I got a chance to read before looking the car over.


Glad you got it going ! ! ! :w00t:
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