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General => IHADAV8 Playground => Topic started by: gordyzx9r on April 25 2011, 03:52:33 PM
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I need to get more information but this is what I have so far:
But it's a grey T with the black out package. 60K miles on the body, with no rot and the body is straight. Freshened motor with champion ported irons and a "cleaned" up intake, std. cam and crank, new rings and bearings. Green stripe injectors and a TA-49. Stock but strengthened transmission and stock rear. 10 point cage, racing seats up front, rear seat is out but the interior was re-carpeted for the cage. Pro stock wheels with slicks on the rear.
There is a full length exhaust but it's not installed, right now they're just driving it with the down pipe.
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Cars are cheap these days according to the auctions I see.
It's a gamble on the quality of the engine, I guess. I might bet 10k, but they probably want 15?
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I have a tough time estimating it - as Steve said, the motor is a crapshoot, you won't know how well the rebuild was done without tearing it down and essentially rebuild it. A stack of receipts may help in the decision. It's the small niggling items that I would look at, body, fillers, overall attention to details, etc.
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'87, gun metal grey.
Seller originally bought the car as a roller and transplanted his motor, xmsn., and rear end out of a wrecked car.
It has t-tops...which I'm not too thrilled about. I won't be able to store this one indoors and I'd be driving it quite a bit. The seller has always had it stored indoors so he doesn't know if the t-tops leak or not.
Who sells the seals for those nowadays? I've never had to mess with t-tops before and now I'm hesitant about this.
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the price just came down two K for t tops in my opinion....the cage ought to stiffen it up, but, I think the pain in the rear quotient for crawling around the cage offsets the plus factory.
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'87, gun metal grey.
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Even with the t-tops the price is just too good to pass up.
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How much do they want for it?
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How much do they want for it?
It started at $5,500 and dropped down to $5,000 without me even approaching the subject.
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parts are probably worth that...if you don't like t tops, you can pass it on after you do a bit of clean up
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Wish I could find deals like that up here.
Is the interior too far stripped to go back?
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Wish I could find deals like that up here.
Is the interior too far stripped to go back?
I don't know yet, I am waiting on pictures. The cage sounds typical where it goes through the panel in the back. The carpet they put in covers the entire floor with the rear seats gone. They told me all the door panels are perfect and the power windows still work. It has "race" seats for the driver and passenger.
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Wish I could find deals like that up here.
Is the interior too far stripped to go back?
I don't know yet, I am waiting on pictures.
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I've decided you don't want it so I'll step in and help you save face by taking it instead. Be a pal and pick it up and drive it to my place?
:rofl;
seriously - if its shiny the wife wants one.
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It's a 12 hour drive one way for me. I have a 28' enclosed trailer so it's no big deal for me.
Here's the thing, there is a white T local to me that belongs to a friend of mine:
86 T-Type-ARP studs w/ billet caps, Comp 212/212, RJC Power Plate, TE45A with PTE turbo saver, 60lb inj, 340 w/hotwire, 70mm tb, Pat's 3200, SE Turbo 3" dp, Razor's Alky, TT chip, LS1 maf, BGC SLIC, Scanmaster, dynomax exhaust, boxed arms, moog springs, UMI lowers, and Hotchkis bar
Originally a TX car it is clear of rot except for one spot...right rear fender along the body crease at waist level it was scratched/gouged down to the metal while being worked on at a shop. The shop put it outside in the elements for a few weeks and it started showing corrosion. Blue interior. It was caged at one time, but it was removed. Apparently it was a staged race car but the stage motor was taken out and they scraped together a motor and threw it in. Someone painted the chrome bumpers white and the idiot at the shop scraped one pretty good so now the chrome is showing on the left rear. He took it to SE Turbo in Georgia (he didn't know any better at the time) and I had to go with him to rescue it.
I've repaired some of the electrical gremlins, got the speedo (it has a GNX style dash but I can't remember what kind of gauges) working, the tail lights (connector by steering column), got the fans going again (bad wiring), and some other things.
Then he blew both head gaskets...
Those were just both replaced by Bill Ragland so I know they were done right. I kinda like this car, but I know what it needs...it needs a completely redone engine harness as we're constantly finding frayed/exposed wires on it. And it's going to need a paint job, new carpet (unless you don't mind the holes from the cage), and a new rear deck (again..cage holes). And the right front panel, just in front of the wheel well was kicked in while at the shop too.
The last price he gave me was $6K firm.
(http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/attachments/members-rides-friends-family/108100d1282606938-86-t-type-progress-p8230002.jpg)
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I've decided you don't want it so I'll step in and help you save face by taking it instead. Be a pal and pick it up and drive it to my place?
:rofl;
seriously - if its shiny the wife wants one.
I do want the car and I'm ready to pull the trigger on it...but I need to see pics first before I commit to driving 12 hours to see it.
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Both seem like great deals.
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A complete engine harness is less than $800 from Caspers...
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I had a white limited with a blue interior for a short period....I loved it...
I would buy the white one...the cage holes are simple...you mig in a small round patch. I don't think the rear deck will be much of a problem to replace. Be a good excuse to put a custom speaker panel in place.
Unless you are demanding perfection, I would have the rust spot cleaned up and blended up...put off the total paint job for a rainy day.
All these cars need a new harness so that is not a disqualifier.
Buy the known as the unknown will reveal a lot more hidden secrets and it will not make it more alluring. Take my challenger, please! :)
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Gord - Seriously-I'd like to get in line behind you on the white one. He has a good title etc?
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Gord - Seriously-I'd like to get in line behind you on the white one. He has a good title etc?
As far as I know it is. I know he won't budge on the price though. He doesn't need the cash.
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Buy the known as the unknown will reveal a lot more hidden secrets and it will not make it more alluring.
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thanks for the encouragement! :D I am not trying to do a resto...just trying to make sure the suspension does not fall off, or I don't fall through the floor
front frame looks like swiss cheese after the stick welded pieces of angle iron were removed....flo or pan has a million rivet tips showing thru the undecoating,..
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thanks for the encouragement!
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Steve have you talked to these guys?
AJ___
http://tinyurl.com/3t86j27
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Go for the white one. That's a sexy car!
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buy them both! then you can swap parts and keep one running
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buy them both!
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Steve have you talked to these guys?
AJ___
http://tinyurl.com/3t86j27
not that particular one...
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Just got the pics, will post in a second...tell me what you think and what you can ID on it.
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I know the AC was taken out, but will it still have heat?
Passenger door has a a ding right on the edge...I can live with it, but I know it's gonna be a PITA to get fixed.
I knew the bumper fillers were fiber glass and he said they don't match in the pics, but look better when actually viewing the car.
It looks pretty clean and straight.
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no ac/heater
be a fun project car to play with
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no ac/heater
be a fun project car to play with
I'm not up to speed on the A/C and heating system...but if there is no ac, that means no heat? Can I make it have heat without having to reinstall the A/C? It doesn't snow in AL, but it does get cold here...
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Need a heater core, a blower and and original heater box or a cleverly fabricated one.
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Were these cars available from the factory w/o A/C?
What is that knob for where the stereo would normally be?
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Were these cars available from the factory w/o A/C?
What is that knob for where the stereo would normally be?
No, I don't think they were, unless someone special ordered it. Even if it didn't have A/C - it would still have the heater box, blower assy, etc.
THat may be a remote for the boost controller.
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Need a heater core, a blower and and original heater box or a cleverly fabricated one.
I need to ask him if he took out the core, I'm told that most people don't go through the trouble of taking out the core. A friend of mine has the blower and an entire A/C system that he'll give me.
What's involved? Mount it, hook up the lines, route the ducting, hook up the vacuum lines and go? Do I have to go with an OEM control panel or can I go with some something more simple and custom?
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What other questions should I be asking (or would you be asking)?
I don't want to go nuts here, I mean it's a $5K TR, so I know I'm not buying a show quality car by any stretch of the imagination.
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Need a heater core, a blower and and original heater box or a cleverly fabricated one.
I need to ask him if he took out the core, I'm told that most people don't go through the trouble of taking out the core.
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the core is gone, it is located in the heater box which is not there. Ask him if he still has the parts.
He said he got the car that way when it was a roller.
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That's a shitload of work to put all that back in. I would get the white one - closer, and 86 is a lot more rare than the 87 T.
The gray one has no wiper motor or mechanism, no cruise, no back seat, no relays I can see, what looks like a custom wiring harness, and who know how much more was gutted to make it light, and a race car.
It's a great looking race car, don't get me wrong.
If you want a driver - get the white one. If you want to race, get the gray one.
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Go to a junk yard and strip a NA regal for the box and controls
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Got some more info, and he's going to email more pics and info.
PS works
Manual breaks
No c-clip eliminators
Southside bars
Adjustable uppers
3500 stall torque converter
I can get a complete A/C system and core for free from a friend. But it sounds like all the wiring was removed.
Not real keen on the idea of not having heat, defrost, or w/s wipers.
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I think I'm just gonna go for the white one...
Just gonna have to replace the engine harness. Bill Ragland says the white one needs the body bushings replaced too. It is going to be a PITA to find someone to do that, but I'd probably get them done on the GN at the same time too.
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I think I'm just gonna go for the white one...
My wife's not happy with you :) Expect her to pound you one in the arm if you show up at BPG.
Good choice.
This is the best (comparable) we can find up here:
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1986-Buick-Grand-National-Coupe-W0QQAdIdZ277960662#
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a bunch of work to restore the heater box, etc.
Not much work to do the body bushings...you can do that yourself. Some instructions on gnttype....wir ing harness is harder
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a bunch of work to restore the heater box, etc.
Not much work to do the body bushings...you can do that yourself.
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it is easy...on some northern cars, the bolts are rusted into the nuts welded in the body and that causes a problem. An impact wrench usually is the safest way to break them loose...imo
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it is easy...on some northern cars, the bolts are rusted into the nuts welded in the body and that causes a problem.
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floor jack and a two x four is all you need to lift the body a little
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Bryan recently replaced them on his GN.
B - did you notice a difference in the ride afterward?
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Well...it's not the going to be the white one now, he decided not to sell it.
And I'm just not getting a good vibe for the gray one.
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Bryan recently replaced them on his GN.
B - did you notice a difference in the ride afterward?
It seems a little tighter, but I also installed the GNX bushings. The biggest issue is if the bolts are rusted and break. The rear bumper has to be removed for the two back most positions.
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FWIW-I was told by a local once he realized the bumpers need to come off he "flew" through the rest of them, having wasted days prior.
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Bryan recently replaced them on his GN.
B - did you notice a difference in the ride afterward?
It seems a little tighter, but I also installed the GNX bushings. The biggest issue is if the bolts are rusted and break. The rear bumper has to be removed for the two back most positions.
So...you wanna tackle mine? lol
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I'm not getting the gray one either...no heat, and a bunch of other stuff that would make it un-drivable for a better part of half the year here in AL or take too much money and effort to make it so I could. And my friend decided to keep the white one.
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Bryan recently replaced them on his GN.
B - did you notice a difference in the ride afterward?
It seems a little tighter, but I also installed the GNX bushings. The biggest issue is if the bolts are rusted and break. The rear bumper has to be removed for the two back most positions.
So...you wanna tackle mine?
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Bryan recently replaced them on his GN.
B - did you notice a difference in the ride afterward?
It seems a little tighter, but I also installed the GNX bushings. The biggest issue is if the bolts are rusted and break. The rear bumper has to be removed for the two back most positions.
So...you wanna tackle mine?
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Bryan recently replaced them on his GN.
B - did you notice a difference in the ride afterward?
It seems a little tighter, but I also installed the GNX bushings. The biggest issue is if the bolts are rusted and break. The rear bumper has to be removed for the two back most positions.
So...you wanna tackle mine?
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It's a 12 hour drive one way for me. I have a 28' enclosed trailer so it's no big deal for me.
Here's the thing, there is a white T local to me that belongs to a friend of mine:
86 T-Type-ARP studs w/ billet caps, Comp 212/212, RJC Power Plate, TE45A with PTE turbo saver, 60lb inj, 340 w/hotwire, 70mm tb, Pat's 3200, SE Turbo 3" dp, Razor's Alky, TT chip, LS1 maf, BGC SLIC, Scanmaster, dynomax exhaust, boxed arms, moog springs, UMI lowers, and Hotchkis bar
Originally a TX car it is clear of rot except for one spot...right rear fender along the body crease at waist level it was scratched/gouged down to the metal while being worked on at a shop. The shop put it outside in the elements for a few weeks and it started showing corrosion. Blue interior. It was caged at one time, but it was removed. Apparently it was a staged race car but the stage motor was taken out and they scraped together a motor and threw it in. Someone painted the chrome bumpers white and the idiot at the shop scraped one pretty good so now the chrome is showing on the left rear. He took it to SE Turbo in Georgia (he didn't know any better at the time) and I had to go with him to rescue it.
I've repaired some of the electrical gremlins, got the speedo (it has a GNX style dash but I can't remember what kind of gauges) working, the tail lights (connector by steering column), got the fans going again (bad wiring), and some other things.
Then he blew both head gaskets...
Those were just both replaced by Bill Ragland so I know they were done right. I kinda like this car, but I know what it needs...it needs a completely redone engine harness as we're constantly finding frayed/exposed wires on it. And it's going to need a paint job, new carpet (unless you don't mind the holes from the cage), and a new rear deck (again..cage holes). And the right front panel, just in front of the wheel well was kicked in while at the shop too.
The last price he gave me was $6K firm.
(http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/attachments/members-rides-friends-family/108100d1282606938-86-t-type-progress-p8230002.jpg)
Just an update...he opted to sell, price dropped to $4500. I pulled the trigger, will pick it up in December.
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Congrats, looks nice.
Interior looks very "unfaded" :)
Reminder, there are no $5k cars, there are only $12K+ cars, the only thing that changes how that total is distributed over the first year. :(
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Hard to fathom why they spend the effort of filling the bumpers yet left the rub strips on?
Might as well just put a cage back in?
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What's the master plan Gordy?
Is this the "race car" or your "driver" or....
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Where's the extensive array of pics???
Nice score!!!!
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Where's the extensive array of pics???
Nice score!!!!
I won't pick it up until DEC sometime. It's currently residing in storage.
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What's the master plan Gordy?
Is this the "race car" or your "driver" or....
I'll take the damaged ones and have them stripped and sprayed white for the white car.
Ahhh, :chin:
It's the leftover parts car...
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What's the master plan Gordy?
Is this the "race car" or your "driver" or....
I'll take the damaged ones and have them stripped and sprayed white for the white car.
Ahhh, :chin:
It's the leftover parts car...
Pretty much...it's gonna be my budget/project/hands on learning tool since I'm reluctant/hesitant to do any serious wrenching on the GN for fear that I'll fuck it up.
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What's the master plan Gordy?
Is this the "race car" or your "driver" or....
I'll take the damaged ones and have them stripped and sprayed white for the white car.
Ahhh, :chin:
It's the leftover parts car...
Pretty much...it's gonna be my budget/project/hands on learning tool since I'm reluctant/hesitant to do any serious wrenching on the GN for fear that I'll fuck it up.
Nice!
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What's the master plan Gordy?
Is this the "race car" or your "driver" or....
I'll take the damaged ones and have them stripped and sprayed white for the white car.
Ahhh, :chin:
It's the leftover parts car...
Pretty much...it's gonna be my budget/project/hands on learning tool since I'm reluctant/hesitant to do any serious wrenching on the GN for fear that I'll fuck it up.
Nice!
Looks like I'm gonna have to delay making this purchase now...some stuff on my motor just didn't look right so we're putting in a freshened up short block.
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So the guy is going to hold it for you?
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Give him a $1K deposit so he doesn't get cold feet.
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It's in storage and probably will be for awhile...
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I pulled the trigger on it today...mine.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/370244/photo.JPG)
I'm going to pick it up next weekend in FL near Tampa if anyone is out that way.
86 T-Type-ARP studs w/ billet caps, Comp 212/212, RJC Power Plate, TE45A with PTE turbo saver, 60lb inj, 340 w/hotwire, 70mm tb, Pat's 3200, SE Turbo 3" dp, Razor's Alky, TT chip, LS1 maf, BGC SLIC, Scanmaster, dynomax exhaust, boxed arms, moog springs, UMI lowers, and Hotchkis bar
Originally a TX car it is clear of rot except for one spot...right rear fender along the body crease at waist level it was scratched/gouged down to the metal while being worked on at a shop. The shop put it outside in the elements for a few weeks and it started showing corrosion. Blue interior. It was caged at one time, but it was removed. Apparently it was a staged race car but the stage motor was taken out and they scraped together a motor and threw it in. Someone painted the chrome bumpers white and the idiot at the shop scraped one pretty good so now the chrome is showing on the left rear. He took it to SE Turbo in Georgia (he didn't know any better at the time) and I had to go with him to rescue it.
I've repaired some of the electrical gremlins, got the speedo (it has a GNX style dash but I can't remember what kind of gauges) working, the tail lights (connector by steering column), got the fans going again (bad wiring), and some other things.
Then he blew both head gaskets...
Those were just both replaced by Bill Ragland so I know they were done right. I kinda like this car, but I know what it needs...it needs a completely redone engine harness as we're constantly finding frayed/exposed wires on it. And it's going to need a paint job, new carpet (unless you don't mind the holes from the cage), and a new rear deck (again..cage holes). And the right front panel, just in front of the wheel well was kicked in while at the shop too.
Once I get it, I'll take lots of pictures and we can play name that mod and go through it and pick out things that might need immediate attention.
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PM me when you will be in town - I live a bit north of Tampa.
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Oh, you know it'll be a love/hate thing sometimes but you will won't regret.
Congratulation s.
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PM me when you will be in town - I live a bit north of Tampa.
Will do, should be the 7th or 8th.
Oh, you know it'll be a love/hate thing sometimes but you will won't regret.
Congratulation s.
I've got the GN to love and this thing to throw things at when they make me mad...but it should be fun, especially when I tell the wife I bought it today.
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I've got the GN to love and this thing to throw things at when they make me mad...but it should be fun, especially when I tell the wife I bought it today.
Thanks for sharing with us first :icon_lol:
( assuming you are still alive to read this)
:rofl:
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I've got the GN to love and this thing to throw things at when they make me mad...but it should be fun, especially when I tell the wife I bought it today.
Thanks for sharing with us first :icon_lol:
( assuming you are still alive to read this)
:rofl:
Told her at lunch today...fun conversation, it seems I "owe" her an Enclave now.
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it seems I "owe" her an Enclave now.
More than the one you are already in?
AJ___
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If I were you I'd be glad I passed on the grey racecar. Piecing back together somebody else's hack job is never fun.
Nice looking one you got. Looks to have been repainted.
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If I were you I'd be glad I passed on the grey racecar. Piecing back together somebody else's hack job is never fun.
Nice looking one you got. Looks to have been repainted.
I'm not sure if the whole car has been repainted or not, I don't think it has. I know the hood was repainted recently because the guy that replaced the head gaskets accidently gouged it. The front bumper obviously, and the back bumper which used to be chrome was painted white by someone.
The car has gremlins that need to be worked out. It was a race car in TX in a previous life. IIRC, they took out the cage, the motor and transmission and threw in something they had lying around in the shop. My friend bought it hoping it would be a solid, turn key, street sweeper but soon found out that it just keeps having little issues (mostly electrical) that keep popping up...
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Just looking at pic in post 73, it looks like the T-Type emblem and the intercooled emblem have moved from factory position. And the rub strip on the door/front fender/front of the rear quarter looks a bit high for a factory one. Not a big deal , great looking car!
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All the cars that I have seen have frayed wiring harnesses, these days....I don't think that is a big deal...not as big a deal as replacing it might be :D I might repair to save the hassle, but, I am not anal about such things-particularly these days
The place that I have consistently found to be a problem, or a problem still in embryo, is the area at the back of the drivers side valve cover where a screw emerges from the firewall. When the plastic wiring harness sheath breaks the mounting tabs off that slipped over the valve cover studs, and someone leaves the bolt out of the sheath mount under the coil pack bracket off while sticking an engine back in the car...the wiring harness bundle settles down and rides on this exposed screw. Somewhere down the line, it saws thru the insulation and starts blowing fusible links and popping fuses. Being this screw is not readily visible without knowing it is there, it can be a real mystery problem. John's loom replacement is pretty cheap.
I would check the plates that they welded into the floor pan for corrosion around the welds, clean up, and paint over to prevent a future point of rust....if they did not.
It seems to me that this was a real good buy potentially. I really like the all white cars. I wonder if you can match the white with a powder coat for the bumpers? My T has a painted over chrome front bumper that is peeling off. I was thinking about powdercoating it rather than expoxy paint.
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Well...it's home, after a long freaking drive. I'm beat. I'll take it out of the trailer sometime tomorrow and get some pics. It needs to have the IAC/TPS reset/adjusted and a new accumulator ball (I hope that's all it needs for the brakes anyways), idled real rough. Did that once before when I last saw the car and I did the IAC/TPS and it was fine...but then went outta whack again a few weeks later about the time he put it into storage.
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kinda doubt it is the adjustment...m ight pull the iac out and clean the passages. Otherwise, I would look for a vacuum leak, or such
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Well...
I still don't have the black car back yet (crossing fingers for May). The white car is a veritable tank, though she's sprung a leak and she's getting a new rear main seal. Quite a few life changes so I've been and probably will be out of the net for awhile longer...
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Well...
I still don't have the black car back yet (crossing fingers for May). The white car is a veritable tank, though she's sprung a leak and she's getting a new rear main seal. Quite a few life changes so I've been and probably will be out of the net for awhile longer...
What's going on, Gordy?