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General => IHADAV8 Playground => Topic started by: Steve Wood on February 15 2011, 01:29:25 PM
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http://dotsub.com/view/b5ee5ada-5b37-4b0b-9916-e0896337ec4b
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I concur more than you do.
Seriously, has anyone who practices a religion, whatever that religion may be, ever considered the absurdity, if not the ultimate futility, of that religion?
Presumably, from what I've read, those who undertake the practice of a religion assume that an entity, one possessing the godly power to create and oversee a universe (and everything in that universe) does somehow, and for some reason, dutifully demand that certain rituals be performed. Further, they assume that failure to perform these rituals will result in punishment, less than favorable standings, outright damnation, or other unpleasantries . Now, I may not be the croakiest frog in the pond, but you give me an entity who goes around creating universes, yet still DEMANDS regularly scheduled ass-kissings, and I gotta comment that said entity is displaying some less than admirable qualities. Experience (and observation) has taught me that such egomaniacal behavior, earthbound or ethereal, is not (generally speaking) indicative of a high degree of trustworthines s; leastwise afterlife-wise.
So, what is the point of kissing ass, when no reward can be counted on anyhow?
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I typed something quite lengthy and profound here only to accidentally close the page and lose the post. Divine intervention? A wrathful deity? A fat retard with clumsy, sausage-like fingers? We may never know.
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Amen
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Thanks Steve as that was an Excellent video that I passed around to many people I know.
Zap, I thought your post was very good & played very fair about ALL Religions!
I'll stay with my Karma Attitude in life Thankyou!!
Cheers!
David
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Religion is strictly a man-made invention, reflecting the faults and foibles of man. One can maintain spirituality without falling into the hypocrisy of religious trappings.
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Exactly! ^^^
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George got it right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o
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I concur more than you do.
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Religion is strictly a man-made invention, reflecting the faults and foibles of man. One can maintain spirituality without falling into the hypocrisy of religious trappings.
You got that one!! I was raised by a preacher (part time) & saw more than I care to have seen via Miracles etc.. Altho, maybe it opened MY Eyes to the Religion Business we have!!
religion can be good to an extent in a Normal Person but ANY Extremist Religion including Christians is Screwed Up & run by $$$$$$$$$ & or Power!!
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I agree. There's nothing more dangerous to a free society than religious zealotry. Odd that Christians can see the faults with Muslims that they cannot see in themselves.
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And I do believe in intervention, if not outright creation, but by what or who, I claim no knowledge.
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I agree. There's nothing more dangerous to a free society than religious zealotry. Odd that Christians can see the faults with Muslims that they cannot see in themselves.
Who here has not recognized that in Islam and Christianity, the gods are the same. Heck, even Islam even recognizes Jesus. They just consider him a prophet and not the son of God. If you follow Islam idea of the 12th Imam, I think it has quite a resemblance to the death of Jesus Christ and his return to save everyone. The 12th Imam is in hiding and waiting to return to save the Muslims.
Anybody else have any thoughts on this.
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It seems very popular for those superior beings, that have recognized that the entire idea of a god is ridiculous, to sneer at those that still believe.
What is really ridiculous is to equate modern day christianity with islam.
Today's christianity is a strained thru the sheets version of that practiced and proclaimed 1400 years ago whereas islam is practically unchanged as from the same period.
Furthermore, allah's words in the koran state that there are three peoples of the book-jews, christians, and finally, the muslims.
He also promises that the muslims shall inherit the earth and that jews and christians will be allowed to live under the domination of the muslims, but, non-believers will be given the option of converting to islam, or be put to death.
I suspect that rather than standing firm by their superiority, there will be a lot of of currently enlightened non-believers learning to face east and pray five times a day if the muslim empire is not nipped in the bud.
I believe the 12th imam will not arise to save the muslims, but, rather to give them the world promised by allah. There are many muslims that believe this as well. The only question will be if the imam will be persian, or from some other sect. Certainly there is a growing number that believe the time is upon us.
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Who remembers the last time that some one was threatened with death for publishing a picture of jesus?
I wonder how many are fool hardy enough to publish one of Mohammed?
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It seems very popular for those superior beings, that have recognized that the entire idea of a god is ridiculous, to sneer at those that still believe.
What is really ridiculous is to equate modern day christianity with islam.
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Who remembers the last time that some one was threatened with death for publishing a picture of jesus?
I wonder how many are fool hardy enough to publish one of Mohammed?
http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/story/tv-bosses-call-on-security-after-death-threats-over-daniel
http://cominganarchy.com/2008/03/10/jesus-defecation-poster-request/
http://celebrifi.com/gossip/Russell-Brand-received-death-threats-after-Jesus-joke-2586780.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ
I could go on....
Christians are a few hundred years ahead of most Muslims in pretending to be civil, but many would be more than happy to burn heretics at the stake, given the chance, just as did the (fairly) recently beatified Thomas More. I suspect that a god capable of creation, possessing an infinite knowledge and not suffering from a BIASED FORM OF TUNNEL VISION, would find religion a preposterous relic, no matter in which guise.
If that god is a loving god, then he would accept us all, no matter what, if he is not, then all the worshipping and ass kissing in the world is in vain. Logic, not superiority.
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I guess I am not up to date on the christian leadership that wishes to burn people at the stake in the 21st century.
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I'm sorry that you take it as a personal affront that some of us don't prescribe to a particular set of ethereal ideals, and am also sorry that you cannot (or will not) accept the "threatened with death" threats by those crazy Christians as legitimately equal to the "threatened with death" threats by those crazy Muslims, but did I mention something about tunnel vision?
I am also so very very sorry that I am not as acquainted with "modern Christian leadership" as are others.
Are they the people who blow up abortion clinics, or are those poor pilgrims only a bunch of misguided fools, doing their foolish work in the NAME of a religion? Thankfully (or thank god, if you're of such a mind), only the Christian religion is bothered by such lunatics!
I am so sorry, in fact, that I am going to say fifty "hail Marys" in your honor, thereby guaranteeing myself a stretch of glittering holy highway. I think I shall name it the "Heretic Expressway." It'll be a toll road, but the righteous will be privy to a monthly pass.
Hallelujah!
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3.Throughout the 1970s I had been mainly studying black holes, but in 1981 my interest in questions about the origin and fate of the universe was reawakened when I attended a conference on cosmology organized by the Jesuits in the Vatican. The Catholic Church had made a bad mistake with Galileo when it tried to lay down the law on a question of science, declaring that the sun went round the earth. Now, centuries later, it had decided to invite a number of experts to advise it on cosmology. At the end of the conference the participants were granted an audience with the pope. He told us that it was all right to study the evolution of the universe after the big bang, but we should not inquire into the big bang itself because that was the moment of Creation and therefore the work of God. I was glad then that he did know the subject of the talk I had just given at the conference -- the possibility that space- time was finite but had no boundary, which means that it had no beginning, no moment of Creation. I had no desire to share the fate of Galileo, with whom I feel a strong sense of identity, partly because of the coincidence of having been born exactly 300 years after his death! [Stephen Hawking, A Brief History of Time (New York: Bantam, 1988), pp. 115-16.]
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Are they the people who blow up abortion clinics, or are those poor pilgrims only a bunch of misguided fools, doing their foolish work in the NAME of a religion? Thankfully (or thank god, if you're of such a mind), only the Christian religion is bothered by such lunatics!
Blowing up an abortion clinic is against the teachings of modern day Christianity. Killing non believers, subjugation of women, etc is the teaching of "That Religion of Peace". What the murdering pedophile Mohammad wrote down 1200 years ago, the Muslims of today follow to the letter.
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What the murdering pedophile Mohammad wrote down 1200 years ago, the Muslims of today follow to the letter.
That is the root of the problem right there! Now granted, Not ALL Muslims are like this but a strong % of them are still hardcore in their beliefs. Even if they are not, they will become or act hardcore or they will be killed as quickly as a Christian would. The few good ones are between a Rock & a hard Place IMO? The ones in North America have NO Excuse to be scared of torture unless it's Dad killing daughter like up here a few times over the last 5 years.
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I'm sorry that you take it as a personal affront that some of us don't prescribe to a particular set of ethereal ideals, and am also sorry that you cannot (or will not) accept the "threatened with death" threats by those crazy Christians as legitimately equal to the "threatened with death" threats by those crazy Muslims, but did I mention something about tunnel vision?
I am also so very very sorry that I am not as acquainted with "modern Christian leadership" as are others.
Are they the people who blow up abortion clinics, or are those poor pilgrims only a bunch of misguided fools, doing their foolish work in the NAME of a religion? Thankfully (or thank god, if you're of such a mind), only the Christian religion is bothered by such lunatics!
I am so sorry, in fact, that I am going to say fifty "hail Marys" in your honor, thereby guaranteeing myself a stretch of glittering holy highway. I think I shall name it the "Heretic Expressway." It'll be a toll road, but the righteous will be privy to a monthly pass.
Hallelujah!
I don't take it as an affront... People will believe what they will believe. I take that to be a basic right in this country
The original post in this thread referred to my concurrence with the dangers of legitimizing the beliefs of the muslim world today that are unchanged since the year 700 by placing them on human rights commissions, etc.
Any attempt to equate modern day christianity, atheism, buddhism, etc. with islam is simply ridiculous,and extremely ignorant in my opinion.
Attempts to equate the goals of islam as supported by millions across much of the world with an act of a nut that bombs an abortion clinic is not even in the same dimension. I see no christian leadership supporting his actions.
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What the murdering pedophile Mohammad wrote down 1200 years ago, the Muslims of today follow to the letter.
That is the root of the problem right there! Now granted, Not ALL Muslims are like this but a strong % of them are still hardcore in their beliefs. Even if they are not, they will become or act hardcore or they will be killed as quickly as a Christian would. The few good ones are between a Rock & a hard Place IMO? The ones in North America have NO Excuse to be scared of torture unless it's Dad killing daughter like up here a few times over the last 5 years.
David, I disagree to some extent. It is my belief that a large percentage of the muslims in this part of the world were brought up to believe that they are superior to the rest of the world and they continue to hear that when they go to the mosque on friday. Many of them appear to be well setttled into our society, but, I believe they will revert to their roots if and when the opportunity arises.
I think most of them keep the idea in the back of their heads and others are afraid to speak out against the extremists because they know they will die if the extremists gain more power than they currently have.
As you say, they have no problem in killing their daughters if they believe they have strayed. Case going on in Arizona at the moment. The father appears to be relatively successful, but, it matters not, his beliefs are his beliefs and far too many seem to be willing to let them apply sharia in recognition of their religion. Some of these that are so concerned with muslim freedom of religion are the same that want to ban christians from their ceremonies.
I am biased because I spent too much time in the muslim world, I am sure.
I tend to believe that religion evolved from visitors to this world long ago, and if I had to choose one, it would be some church that practices the buddhists beliefs along with a pollination of jewish belief.
In other words, be kind to every living thing, but, cut their heads off if they are not kind to you.
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Steve,
I guess I am swayed by the fact my good friend & foreman came from Iran but he has Never been to a Mosque that I ever heard of?? He just plain doesn't like religion but yet follows my beliefs that if you treat others well it will work out in the end.
BUT I can agree with much of what is being said working with 10 of them for 1 year & seeing first hand that they can be Real Snakes in the Grass!!
Altho, as you said, Cross me Bad & I will do my best to Mess you up!
No excuse for that garbage in life. Live & let live, but stay out of my meal ticket & family!
That is the two things that will bring back the Craziness I had as a Teenager & I can play rough to! I just prefer to stay calm & mind my own business as much as possible.
I just hope the world stays calm another 50 years & then I'll be long gone!!
No wonder I never had kids! ;)
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rough world to have kids in at the moment...they may see some really hard times as the world goes bankrupt and fights for survival.
I was married to a Palestinian and she hated religion. She thought it was the enemy of anyone seeking freedom.
She was way too educated to buy islam, for sure.
Once when living in Alice Springs, I came home to find two bicycles parked by my door on a day when it was around 115 degs. I went in to find two Mormons drinking coke with her. She said it was too hot for them to be out doing missionary work and told them they could come in as long as they were willing to talk about anything but religion. I guess it was hot enuf to forego their mission for a cold coke.
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rough world to have kids in at the moment...they may see some really hard times as the world goes bankrupt and fights for survival.
I was married to a Palestinian and she hated religion.
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doesn't matter if you believe in religion or not. the muslims do, and are very hard core about it. eventually, we're probably all gonna have to choose a side if you want to survive. the islamic faith is a very rapidly growing faith. look at the numbers. and probably most convert out of fear, imo.
i don't buy the "most muslims aren't extremist" either. specially the ones here in the us. what would a practicing muslim want to have anything to do with living under a govt like the united state? unless...... hmm....
better wake up america
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Rather than the Muslims themselves being the immediate threat to our way of life, I believe the larger threats are those who refuse to acknowlwdge the coming assault on the West by radical Islam. Most Liberals go overboard with political correctness which I can only take as appeasement. Something the UKs Chamberlin tried with Hitler. We know how that turned out.
"The appeaser feeds the crocodile in the hope that it will eat him last" - Winston Churchill
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Rather than the Muslims themselves being the immediate threat to our way of life, I believe the larger threats are those who refuse to acknowlwdge the coming assault on the West by radical Islam. Most Liberals go overboard with political correctness which I can only take as appeasement. Something the UKs Chamberlin tried with Hitler. We know how that turned out.
"The appeaser feeds the crocodile in the hope that it will eat him last" - Winston Churchill
Thanks for putting it back on track! I wish I could have said it half as well!
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Rather than the Muslims themselves being the immediate threat to our way of life, I believe the larger threats are those who refuse to acknowlwdge the coming assault on the West by radical Islam. Most Liberals go overboard with political correctness which I can only take as appeasement. Something the UKs Chamberlin tried with Hitler. We know how that turned out.
"The appeaser feeds the crocodile in the hope that it will eat him last" - Winston Churchill
Its already happening in Europe & they have some real issues to work out now.
I just hope North America learns from what they are seeing happen.
The Mosque at Ground Zero is a small sign of the times & the people calling the shots better wake up!
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i agree with you stevemon. but its just that I'm already past the point of worrying about the liberals. I see it as a done deal. we're just infested with way too much stupid and lazy at this point in time. multiculturali sm is killing the west. very very sad thing to say, but I believe it's true.
and I'm not just looking at it from a Midwestern point of view. I'm a pilot,(and not a airline pilot, as in, stay the night in a hotel and fly back next day) and have been alot of places in this world, and have seen some things that would scare the crap outta most of us Americans if they knew how bad we're hated. and its not cause where "just plain mean", if you get my drift
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How about since everybody hates us anyway, we stop being the Police and babysitters. Next time another country falls prey to itself, our reply might be: figure it out among your selves, don't come crying to us. It just seems the American taxpayers continually finance one global crisis after another and get zero appreciation in return. Now our finances are in ruins and where do we turn? China, India, Thailand? Hell no. That's where our jobs are. I still say, the day the Towers came down we should have put a message out: all Americans have a week to come home, we're closing the borders till everybody gets their shit together.
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I cannot disagree with that
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Pyro6 I agree. Time for us as the US & Canada to take care of each other & Screw the rest when they don't even Appreciatte the help anyways. We are much smaller here but the $$$ & Lives are still way too high IMO.
Between us we have ALL we need for resourses but the problem is GREED & the % of people that Care less except for the $$$$ :pissed; :mad;
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i agree with you stevemon. but its just that I'm already past the point of worrying about the liberals. I see it as a done deal. we're just infested with way too much stupid and lazy at this point in time.
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uhh... you've totally lost me here charles :bigeyes;
no more posting while drunk :smt018
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uhh... you've totally lost me here charles :bigeyes;
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uhh... you've totally lost me here charles :bigeyes;
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3.Throughout the 1970s I had been mainly studying black holes, but in 1981 my interest in questions about the origin and fate of the universe was reawakened when I attended a conference on cosmology organized by the Jesuits in the Vatican. The Catholic Church had made a bad mistake with Galileo when it tried to lay down the law on a question of science, declaring that the sun went round the earth. Now, centuries later, it had decided to invite a number of experts to advise it on cosmology. At the end of the conference the participants were granted an audience with the pope. He told us that it was all right to study the evolution of the universe after the big bang, but we should not inquire into the big bang itself because that was the moment of Creation and therefore the work of God. I was glad then that he did know the subject of the talk I had just given at the conference -- the possibility that space- time was finite but had no boundary, which means that it had no beginning, no moment of Creation. I had no desire to share the fate of Galileo, with whom I feel a strong sense of identity, partly because of the coincidence of having been born exactly 300 years after his death! [Stephen Hawking, A Brief History of Time (New York: Bantam, 1988), pp. 115-16.]
For a moment there I thought you were a theoretical physicist . . .
AJ___
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Having not been raised in a religious household, thereby avoiding indoctrination (commonly referred to as "faith"), I will maintain that there is still little to no difference between the Christian faith and the Muslim faith, and little to no difference between the Christian and Muslim mindset.
What we generally find, however, is a significant difference between the governments of those Christian dominated countries versus those Muslim dominated countries. SECULAR Governments, formed under the rule of law, with equal protection for all, will not allow the absurdities that we see elsewhere.
Admittedly, while many Muslims would like to see sharia law imposed, many Christians also admittedly howl their disapproval when the ten commandments are, god forbid, removed from public display. I do believe the founding fathers knew what they were doing, you know, with the separation of church and state thing.
I would well assume that a solid majority of the Muslim world sees the actions of those hijackers, the ones who rammed the planes into the WTC, as nothing more than idiotic; every bit as idiotic, in fact, as the majority of the Christian world views those who would, in the name of god, bomb abortion clinics.
While many in the middle east refer to the United States as "The Great Satan," I have seen and heard many Christians refer to the Muslim religion as the "Devils religion," or worse. Neither side can see the forest for the trees.
Little breeds as much zealotry as religious beliefs, so rational argument and civil debate tend to go flying out the window, rendering contrasts and comparisons fruitless.
To me, any worship of a supreme being or deity is absolute foolishness, and I have seen little, over my lifetime, that would suggest any modifications of said opinion shall be forthcoming. I also reserve the right to poke fun at such people who do worship such a deity or supreme being, and, in so long as they continue to afford me the presumptuous assurance of my own ultimate damnation (should I refuse to follow their particular set of rules and rituals), I shall probably exercise my constitutional right do so.
While the existence of a supreme being is certainly open to debate, the rationality of religion is, in my view, not privy to such argument.
While some my find great comfort in religion, I find great fear and discomfort, no matter the guise. A religion is a religion, and a religious mindset is a religious mindset. Some will use it for good, some will use it for bad, and some just don't know the fucking difference. Those are the ones to fear.
I simply don't believe that there are vast Muslim hordes, patiently, or impatiently, awaiting their opportunity for world domination, no matter the plethora of propaganda that would purport to support such a theory. Of course, there is a threat, and it is real, and large, but it is certainly not universal. The riots taking place across the middle east seem to be for jobs and equality, not domination in the name of a particular god.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Booga Booga Booga! (chant for salvation).
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Well Zap, I was raise in a houshold with a (God forbid) Baptist mother and a Presbyterian father. We were not overly religious but my mother was a prude due to her up bringing. There's lots of matereal out there as far as the way a religion controls your life and I don't believe in churches but I do believe in God. I've seen the idiocy of the seventh day advertisers, the morons. assembly of the godless as well as others. It's not the beliefe in God that's the big issue but the way the religion perverts what ever message their belief system can tolerate. Intelegance and education are the key here.
I tried to initiate a discussion of creation on TB and never got one response because I pointed out that "God created the world in 7 days" as well as using "1000 years is but the blink of an eye to God" with mathmatical formula to prove that the earth was much older than the estimates of the creationist. I can post a link to the thread with all the calcs so someone can argue with me if they want. Fervent or zelots that follow the leaders of a religion without thinking are the biggest issue here and education really is the issue. :supz:
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I believe few in the western world, christian, or not, can understand the mindset of the muslims unless he has lived among them.
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http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/feb/24/lubbock-texas-student-a-terror-suspect/
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The Muslim Brotherhood is the largest Muslim organization in the world. It has members in every Middle Eastern country. The stated mission statement of the Muslim Brotherhood is:
- Allah is our objective.
- The Prophet is our leader.
- Qur'an is our law.
- Jihad is our way.
- Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.
I don't think you would find a single, modern-day, Christian faith that spouts anything similar to this.
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I don't think you would find a single, modern-day, Christian faith that spouts anything similar to this.
Maybe not the the USA but in the last 25 years, Ireland, Bosnia, Kurdistan, Thailand, Uganda, Kosovo, Indonesia, Cyprus and many areas still have either Christians or Muslims starting conflicts.
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I don't think you would find a single, modern-day, Christian faith that spouts anything similar to this.
Maybe not the the USA but in the last 25 years, Ireland, Bosnia, Kurdistan, Thailand, Uganda, Kosovo, Indonesia, Cyprus and many areas still have either Christians or Muslims starting conflicts.
These Christian versus Muslim conflicts are the same one the United States faces.
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I don't think you would find a single, modern-day, Christian faith that spouts anything similar to this.
Maybe not the the USA but in the last 25 years, Ireland, Bosnia, Kurdistan, Thailand, Uganda, Kosovo, Indonesia, Cyprus and many areas still have either Christians or Muslims starting conflicts.
These Christian versus Muslim conflicts are the same one the United States faces.
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Indeed, there are a lot of Muslims in the world, and if only a small percentage of them are bent on destruction and mayhem, then it is a large problem. By the way, the KKK considers themselves a Christian Organization, and I believe we are all familiar with their objectives. Are ALL Christians on board with these same objectives? Again, religion is a man-made invention, and it will reflect those who made it, not that which they claim to worship. It cannot do otherwise.
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I see the world changing faster & faster each year & I am concerned what will become of all of us in 50 years from now. It could get real ugly!! :evil;
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50 years? may be more like 50 weeks. Gonna get real ugly when the welfare nation cannot buy gas on food stamps, Or there is no gas to buy even if they could.
The world is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy and the control of the world's energy resources are the very ones that wish to bring us under their rule.
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Steve, I know realistically its the next 5 years that will be a Big Part of what happens in this world for years to come but I "hope" that it takes the 50 years before something Really BAD happens. At least I wont be here by then & for the younger ones I am definately concerned!!
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50 years?
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50 years?
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yep, I pity the ones that live in the city
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So, who has their bunker all set up?
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Archie or Edith?
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Meathead.
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"If there're two things I hate in this world it's crippled spics and cold toilet seats."
-Archie Bunker
...kind of a dick if you ask me.
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Thank God I am an Atheist. :yawinkle: