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General => IHADAV8 Playground => Topic started by: kma697 on April 12 2007, 06:25:57 PM
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Figured I'd start a thread about it......All of its total BULLSHIT in my opinion. Sharpton and Jackson are just trying to get their face on TV, they are 2 of the biggest racists out there. I can't stand Imus never listened to his show or watched it on TV...but losing your job for what a black man can say on his radio show is unfair in my opinion. OK guys fire away.....this has been interesting on some boards and it seems to be 50/50 on opinions.
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Like I said, I would like to see Imus and Sharpton both 6 feet under. From an individuals perspective, I think you should consider the source. Imus is an asshole IMO, so I wouldn't give a rats ass what he thinks or says. Same goes for Sharpton. From a corporate perspective, you have to consider the bottom line. Imus was fired because he was an economic liability, not because he made racist remarks. So, tough shit Don...life is hard. Rap music, possibly 100 times worse, makes money...so anything goes. That's life.
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Well....you just keep swimming in the cesspool of happiness!!! :atbeer:
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So, tough shit Don...life is hard. Rap music, possibly 100 times worse, makes money...so anything goes. That's life.
They really do keep each other in business huh? Excellent point.
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Maybe the KKK will sponsor a satalite show for Imus. :rofl;
I'm honestly not racist, but I hate the double standards we have to contend with.
Its like racial suppression has taken an about face. I was once racially discriminated
against at a job. I was next in line for a promotion at the location I was at. I had
waited a year and a half for the new position. My district manager (who was black),
moved a tech in from another location who had less time with the company, and gave him the promotion. The tech was also black. I was livid and ended up leaving that company because of it. I don't blame them because they're black. I think that
it would've happened with any race in a similar situation.Abou t a year later, the company pulled out of New England for the most part. So they all had to go job hunting.
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Well RR seems like you made the right move anyway.
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I'm particularly disappointed in the broad-nosed victims who, rather than illustrating that Imus means jack shit and is beneath them, turned it into a 'pity me' parade. I usually don't like Patrice O'Neal.....but I couldn't have agreed more with him regarding his comments on the Opie & Anthony show show about this which can be paraphrased as "We (blacks) have made all this progress only to end up with this pathetic spectacle?"
If Imus called me a strupid drunk Kraut I'd see the truth in it, dismiss the falsity and then wonder who the fuck Imus is....?
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If Imus called me a strupid drunk Kraut I'd see the truth in it, dismiss the falsity and then wonder who the fuck Imus is....?
If I heard Imus call you that, I'd laugh, and buy you both a beer.
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Why would you get mad? He would only be stating the truth!
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As the old crowd dies off, so will racism. I just hope the younger people dont get polluted by the old crowds thoughts.
Look at the "foot in the mouth" club. All old or older. They've learned all these slang terms over the years and now there passing them down to us....or at least trying to. There the ones that need to stop using words considered hateful.
Just today, at work, an old man was talking about "alot of dirty mexicans" down here. I havent noticed the growth but I can tell you, they only seem dirty after work...but when they go out there always clean looking to me. Some of them dress fancy as hell. How is that dirty?
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Who wants to go to the casino looking like a slob?? Dee chiks like da klean shavin hombres. :smt028 Or were you talking about the "wetbacks"???
lol
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Naw man, they go to walmart all cheesed up like that too. Big cowboy hats, fancy boots...the younger crowd has the hip hop thing going on. And the chicks in their hot little outfits, eye candy!
Oh, and I'm a little bit, JUST a little bit, sorry for saying the old folks should die off. I just wish they'd let their slang die off. No need in passing racism down to the younger generations. Just the words. The younger generation is trying to move forward. I was pissed from work cuz I had to just sit there and not say anything to the old guy that was talking about the "dirty" Mexicans. Not only that but the asshole won money off me. Looks like he needed it though...he wasnt to "clean" himself.
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I can have little respect for those who judge by race....and for those who are frightened of words. Both are suckers who only cause trouble.
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Trash is trash....regar dless of skin color or origin!
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Sylvan, that about exactly how I feel. I havent even touched on the people that are over sensitive. They just add fuel to the fire and are just as wrong themselves.
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I just read the sister-thread to this on tbs....that really is an icky disaster. Obviously there was a HUGE misunderstandi ng. I hope everybody can still play friendly. Yikes.
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Robert, I read the thread and I really think you were a bit...over the top. Steve's a hell of a guy as far as I can tell and I feel like I 'get' what he was communicating. You know I've got plenty of respect for you, too- but maybe you and Steve should iron out that TRAINWRECK of a post-volley.
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I would have bet good money that if your daughter was on on the team, and he (Imus) humorously referred to the team as a rough lookin' bunch of slope headed chinks, you (Artie) would have been after a piece of him.
Artie was defending Imus by saying it was freedom of speech. Artie is Chinese and he's also very Right wing. SO, Wood post that to see how he would like it if Imus said that, knowing damn well Artie would kick his (Imus's) ass, being a retired NYPD Lt and all.
Robert, you came out like this:
Steve, is that the way you feel? I cant believe you said that let alone compare it to what Imus said.
I'm currently mad at the blacks and whites. This race crap is BS and I'm stuck in the middle.
And Wood comes back like this:
I simply put it in context. Is it right to condone Imus' remarks as free speech as long as they were aimed at blacks...or does one condone his right to make similar remarks no matter at whom they are aimed?
If my daughter was on the team, I would like to have the opportunity to acquaint myself with the guy.
His remarks were wrong no matter whom the target. I gather you think it was okay to make racist remarks against a black group, but, you have problems with making similar remarks against Chinese? How about Jews? Indians? Let me know which are on your okay list.
You THEN contradict yourself here:
You didnt put it into context. There not even close. The words you used describe asians in slang. Very rude racial slang. Nappy headed hos is rude slang but it isnt directed at one race, but it is directed at women.
I support free speech. The guy that wants to kill white people, I just roll my eyes and call him a douche. I figure, he cant hurt me, what does he matter?
This isnt the olden days Steve. You cant just go out and whoop someones ass. It would be nice...but you cant. You just have to look over peoples remarks and ignore them. Free speech. You may not like it but without it we wouldnt have America.
His remarks wernt WRONG. No one got hurt. The remarks wernt racist. Nappy and Ho arnt raciest words and I'm not going to let anyone make me think they are.
If Imus would have said nappy headed "n", I would have a different opinion and your comment would be correct but not ok.
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Aww man, Nobody sees where I'm comming from?
Now I'm contradicting myself. The issue it too huge to have everything ironed out. Bottom line is, we need to start somewhere and stop using thoes words. Since race is the main issue here we can start with that...disresp ecting women is next. Cant fix all problems in a few sentences so pointing out a contradiction is like jumping the line.
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There's more to it than that man. Let me do what Steve Wood did, to myself.
If Imus called them filthy beaners, how would I feel? Or my mom? Or my sister?
^ That's my example. Does that make me a racist by using an example of real terms and words that are used? You didn't understand that the term 'nappy' was used a long time ago as a bad term to describe blacks. You also didn't know that Artie was Chinese and him and Wood are tight. So you came in and not knowing these two important things, you totally dropped the ball. I really can't make it any clearer than that. I PM'd you, told you what was going on, trying to save you some face. Instead, you ended up digging yourself a hole. I know you have good intentions, but fuck, ask questions first man. And I do believe you owe an apology to Steve Wood and Zap.
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I can't dance and have a tiny pecker. Oh, and maternal g-parents were apparently Nazi sympathizers back in Germany. I suck.
I felt like I needed to berate myself.
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So, instead of Steve simply saying "what if they would have called your daughter something similar" his friend wouldnt have been able to understand that or put it into context himself? Steve had to go all out and put it in simple terms for Artie?
What about a board browser comming across that thread. Are they expected to know Steve and Artie are friends?
Respect for friends goes out the window...even when said publically?
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Robert, I read the thread and I really think you were a bit...over the top. Steve's a hell of a guy as far as I can tell and I feel like I 'get' what he was communicating. You know I've got plenty of respect for you, too- but maybe you and Steve should iron out that TRAINWRECK of a post-volley.
Unbelieveably, I have to agree with Sylvan on this one.
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Robert he did type it as a exmaple and every one got it, I'm willing to bet that some lurker would see it the same way if they didn't know Steve or Artie.
OK now to make fun of you (because we care)
You tanged with a OLD Fart twice your age and got your ass handed to you.
Good life leason...watch out for Old Guys that know alot and know how to debate.
Old Farts 1 , Youngens 0 :rofl;
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I usually stay out of all the political (racial too)bullshit!!! Trash is trash whether white black or other. Everybody has a different way of looking at things and usually believes it whole heartedly, nobody will change opinions you just wind up getting worked up for nothing. Simply put FUCK Imus, Sharpton and Jackson!! Thats my .02cents. :yawinkle:
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Wow. all this went on while I wasn't around.
Heres something to look at:
What makes a word offensive ?
I say that people decide or choose which words or phrases offend them.
(Keep in mind that these are examples)
Blacks have decided that words like, Nigger, spook, Jigaboo, etc offend them.
Especially when used by non blacks. This dates back to the days of slavery and
then followed up by years of racial oppression. But in many cases (not all), they condone the use of such words by other blacks. The terms mentioned have not
changed, only the choice to be offended by them has changed.
Again women have endured similar trials, just not to the extremes that blacks have.
Many are offended, by terms like, Cunt, bitch, ho, slut, douche, etc...
Not all women are bothered by these words because they choose not to be bothered
by them.
Smart people have had to endure brutal words like, Geek, bookworm, nerd etc...
Is anyone seeing the pattern here ?
Immigrants, have their own set of chosen words alike. Beaner, Pollock, Spic,
Spaghetti Bender, Limey, Canuk, Chink, Slope, Gerry, etc...(depending on their
particular country of origin.)
Simply not saying such words, will never put an end to this problem for a few reasons:
1) Other words will be created to replace them.
2) Removing such words has no affect on the sentiment behind them.
3) The currently accepted terms will recieve negative conoctations from those
that choose to be offended by the group that they represent.
The best way to help solve this problem would be to disempower words that are classified to be offensive. This is best done, by choosing not to let such words
offend you.
Take the word "Fuck" for example. When I was a kid, I'd be punished if I were caught using it. Although it was commonplace, and used by many.
And there were other words that were treated in very much the same way, as
george Carlin so eloquently displayed for us in his "Seven words that you can't say
on TV" routine. Why was I punished? Because, my parents made the choice that
the word "Fuck" would be considered offensive. This only made the word "Fuck" more attractive, because of its taboo aura. I quickly shared such words with my friends, so they too could be punished for using them. :snakeman:
Nowadays, it seems that only the FCC and elderly people are offended by it. To
everybody else, its no big fucking deal.
Simply put; if you belittle the words, you belittle their cause for existance.
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Exactly RR just like the old saying about sticks and stones!! I'm only offended by "baldy" :sad; and my kid callin me "fat boy" :atbeer: But I have lost 20lbs so she won't be saying that much longer.
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I'm offended by people who tell me that they're raising my taxes to
pay for some program that gives money to people who don't deserve it.
I'm offended by people who want to take away my constitutional rights
to make themselves feel happy or safe.
I'm offended when a bar tender tells me that they don't have any Jager left.
Other than that, I'm rather thick skinned.
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Wow, I leave you guys without adult supervision for one weekend and....
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Y'all are nuts. Most want racism to end. But we continue to use the words. That dont make since. Racism will never die. Condoning someone else using the words is nuts too. Anyone can say whatever they want, as many times as they want, but if your going to say that racist words are wrong, you shouldnt use them yourself.
I'm going to stand my ground but I'm done talking about it. I know what I see and I dont like it....my problem.
Maybe I get out too much and have contact with too many people. Today I had Jewish, white and Indian people at my table at one time. Everyone got along, high fivin' and shit. Life was good! The Jewish guys tipped me well, as did the Indian. So much for the myth the old guys are passing down to us. Jewish dont seem cheap to me.
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Y'all are nuts. Most want racism to end. But we continue to use the words. That dont make since. Racism will never die. Condoning someone else using the words is nuts too. Anyone can say whatever they want, as many times as they want, but if your going to say that racist words are wrong, you shouldnt use them yourself.
I'm going to stand my ground but I'm done talking about it. I know what I see and I dont like it....my problem.
Maybe I get out too much and have contact with too many people. Today I had Jewish, white and Indian people at my table at one time. Everyone got along, high fivin' and shit. Life was good! The Jewish guys tipped me well, as did the Indian. So much for the myth the old guys are passing down to us. Jewish dont seem cheap to me.
Most of your observations are correct. But you missed my point. I'm not sure
if I can explain it better. (thinking)
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Most of your observations are correct. But you missed my point. I'm not sure
if I can explain it better. (thinking)
Oh no Robert his head is going to explode .. I can see the smoke raising from here
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This is going to be cool! Rob, set up the video camera!
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I am only offended by the foul odor eminating from hygiene-lacking individuals.
Oh, and yellow M&Ms.
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Well said RR, I totally agree with you. The entire business of certain words being off limits because they may offend someone is total ridiculous. To take this point to an extreme example ... supposed we (as the people of the world) decide that any word that a single person finds offensive shall be removed from all languages spoken. I would then guess that we would have to revert back to drawing pictures to get a point across and even then someone would be offended by the drawing.
Robert, I understand and agree with you that racism should end, but it will never happen. Sorry, as much as it would be wonderful if it did. The only way it could ever end is if everyone in the world looked at themselves as being in the same group and that just isn't going to happen.
Personally I wish the black community would quit putting up their own barriers. I mean look at it .. NAACP, United Negro college fund and Colleges that are all black just to name a couple of ways they choose to separate themselves from the rest of society. Maybe I am in left field on this, but damn ... I have yet to hear of the United Asian/ Caucasian/ Mongolian/ Latino/ Arab College fund or any colleges for just those groups.
In closing .."we" are not the problem; "everyone" is the problem. Until everyone quits giving words more power than they should have there will be idiots using them in ways to incite people. Call me a honky, cracker, white boy, even a brand me with the racist label ... see if I give a rats ass about it. It's just words and in the end how did what anyone of you that would call me any of those names affect me personally? I will tell you ... you had no effect on my life ...but you might have just made yourself look like a piece of trash to the rest of the world.
David
PS On the little small patch of Terra firma that I reside ... nappy is used on a daily basis. It is used to describe a person's hair. Generally it is used by women to describe their hair or another's when they are having a "bad" hair day. The word has no race prescribed to it. So that being said ... it makes me wonder why some immediately consider it a "racist" word? Maybe those that do consider it a racist word, see how and think that it applies to their race. That it describes something about their race that they do not like. Who Knows? But, to me that is a plausible explanation of why "nappy" is a supposed "racist" word.
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I think it all sucks. I am from Chicago, and I HATE Jessie Jackson, I would rather be called "Babe" then talk about him. I am sure that is all Jessie Jackson wants is for everyone talk about him.
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I think this can sum it up......http://hotairbuick.com/audio/hyphenjw.m4a
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I had a feeling you were going to post that.
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I know people can change and stop labeling people. It takes time but it's possible. Parents have standards when it comes to cuss words and their kids. I think parents should include racist words as well. But dont make an issue about it...just keep the words away from their kids. Racist words are really the BAD words.
Imus learned his lesson. Now he's jobless too. And he didnt even use a REAL racist word. People are too sensitive. I can see the womens rights groups getting pissed. Not a few black people who turn it into a big thing.
Sundog, your right, there is a hair style called "nappy look" or something. Some chicks are hot when they sport it! As far as people being offended....th ere like that guy in the commercial "Dan, you sit there and worry about everyone trying to screw you over".
Black people are raised thinking that people are putting them down. They have full right too. Older generations are ruined. Younger generations of all races need to move on with our lives and stop draging the past with us. It's up to the parents of ALL races to help them move on. Blacks need to try just as hard as the whites.
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One of my neighbors had just written this, and sent it to me in an e-mail.
Once Again, The radical left, the politically correct wing of society, proves it's hypocrisy.
First of all, let me make a comment about "Politically Correct". Politically correct is a buzz word for today's liberal element...espe cially the ultra liberal. It is a punch line. It is as empty as the loud ranting freaks that proclaim it. It essentially means pandering to special interest groups just because, and being oblivious to justice. As a Christian man, I much prefer to strive to be "Morally Correct", although I admit I often fail miserably. However, the two phrases are very different in meaning.
Two news breaking issues just happened recently. 1.) the buffoonery of the "Imus" comments on the female basketball team, 2.) the duke rape case being dropped...as it should have been a long time ago.
Here is what has happened. Here in lies the total inconsistency of our country at this point of it's history and the shockingly amoral mentality of the extreme left. Let me also put in this disclaimer that this e-mail is NOT an E-mail proclaiming Blacks against Whites, or vice versa. That battle line has unfortunetly been formed by the ultra left wing bunch...IE: Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Oprah Winfrey just to name a few. These extreme left wingers act as though they represent ALL of the African Americans in this country, and that is simply not true. There are very many highly respectable African American colleagues I work with who simply have no use for the the characters I have mentioned.
I have never really been a fan of Imus. I do know that he has done much for young children.
he made a stupid comment. So now, Mr. "Civil" rights Al sharpton, in the name of "liberty" and fairness made sure he was fired and made the biggest deal out of the situation.
Keep in mind this is the SAME character who all but wanted to tar and feather the 3 young men charged in the rape case last year.
That case should have NEVER went to court. there was absolutely NO evidence and yet on the simple word of a patholigical liar , and a stripper ( whom the liberal media coined as an "exotic dancer!" ) 3 young men almost had their lives destroyed and will be affected by this for the rest of their lives. Where is Mr. Sharpton NOW since he and the rest of the "Secular Progressives" got it wrong ...very wrong! Where is Al now defending the "rights" of the three young men who had to endure a year's worth of BS and have their families nearly financially runied by this escapade?
The Liberal media couldn't wait to say how "mentally stressed" the young girl's were due to Imus's comments. Mentally stressed? How about the mental stress of the three men and their families not knowing if they were going to do time for a false accusation of one of the worst crimes in this country.....ra pe! How about that "stress" Mr. Sharpton! How about their "Civil rights".
There is, of course, the other issue of the hypocrisy of Mr. Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Oprah and the like when they refuse to chastise the African American Rappers who daily undermine their own race with disgusting comments about women. It's ok when the rappers use sexist racist words, but not when anyone does.
The Bottom line is, If you are Hypocrit, like Mr. Sharpton,. Jesse Jackson, and many other spindoctors of the far left, your credibility is gone. Even if you are at a given time fighting for a just cause, the fact that you are not consistent and are obviously agenda driven destroys any credibilty to anything you have to say.
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ok i just looked at this thread afew posts up. but my opinon on racism is... I HATE EVERYONE EQUALLY! noone is singled out in my book unless u stand out (aka STUPID PEOPLE). but thats ur own stupidity... so stop makin ecuses, im from the south (middle GA), and everyone thinks im racist. and the fact is, im not racist, i have no problem with blacks or indians, mexicans, or even arabs. but when u make urself into an ass, ima let u know. also im not much for change, and if ur tryin to push somthin on me... its not gonna happen. stubburn redneck would definitly fit my personality. and when i say push somthin on me im refering mostly to drugs in my neighborhood, trash into my neighborhood (or town).
u always hear how bad the "hood" is... well guess what, u made it that way. because u know those old people in those "nice" neighbor hoods... they made an effert to take 5 minutes to pick up that trash, mow their lawn, help their neighbors, and if somthing goes wrong THEY CALL THE COPS. i dunno about anywhere else but here latly i havent been seeing so many white neighborhoods (aka the good ones per-say) because they are finally getting mixed. these thugs that are all around town and claim their life is so hard are a bunch of pussys who's parents needed to kick their ass and make them apply their selves at school. cause their aint to excuse for not going to college and makin somthin of urself. TECH SCHOOL IS FUCKIN FREE IN GA. yea free, just dont go in their expecting the world to kiss ur ass. work for it. i have seen too many people drop out cause the teacher dident like them...
gues what, the real world dont like ya either, and it dont get any easier.
my parents let me flunk outta school, let me go as i pleased unpunished cause i talked my way out of it with the BS lies i thought up. well lies will only get u so far (unless ur a loyar) in life. im 19 im living on my own and i am workin my ass off for my GED cause the public school thing "wasent my style". wow im an idiot... too late to go back now though so im doing the alternat route. if u thinku have no other choice in life... the marines will take u feed u, and make somthing of u. but only if u try. these homless guys... yea some of them might have a slighly reasonable excuse for being that way, but most of them, needed to be kicked in the ass at a young age and be forced to apply their selves and make a living. always have a back up plan. and if all else fails... JOIN THE MARINES, they will make u somthing.
so to tie this in with my racism rant, noone owes anyone anything, noone is being outcast anymore... ur doing it to ur self. so get a fuckin job and live life.... u only get to do it once.
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Good point. :supz:
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i guess we lost intrest in this thread... lol
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I also just read a few posts so I dont know if this was brought up but I think they got so bent out of shape because he singled out a group of individuals (the rutgers girls). Causing embarrasment for them but I think its dumb how he gets fired for that but those Phelps people can protest soldiers funerals which is much worse.
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but those Phelps people can protest soldiers funerals which is much worse.
Thats how the Patriot Guard got started.