IHADAV8.com - Turbo Buick Tech, and Nonsense
Tech Area => General Buick Tech => Topic started by: TexasT on October 05 2018, 03:41:51 PM
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https://realtuners.com/realtuners-radio-episodes/
Scroll down to podcast number fifty. Some real info on tuning. Tuning idle and tip In and what to do to get it right with a fancy ecm. I found it real interesting.
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I'm to lazy for that. I let Erics chip and my stock ECM do it for me.
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Not everyone has a stock setup.
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Not everyone has a stock setup.
You betcha. Go over to the other board and check some of the sigs. They've got every cool guy part thrown at the car...includin g an aftermarket fuel management system...and they can't match my ET or MPH with my stock junk, stock ECM and TT chip. They've drank the kool aid and honestly believe there's magic inside those boxes.
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Not everyone has only a Turbo Regal.
Did you listen to the podcast? Those guys are hardcore hot rodders. The car he mentioned going down to Chicago is a nifty first gen Camaro they take on drag week. And from the between the lines I heard street race it quite a bit. I'm pretty sure it is deep in the eight sec range and possibly quicker at the track. The guy couldn't figure out the idle and was having a stumble problem. The host went down there pretty much to meet the guy and as a side benefit managed to straighten out his tune.
I'm not knocking your approach but you, yourself, posted it is boring and had your setup for sale. Mine is pretty stock too and I like to drive it. And I'm glad they don't salt down the roads here or mine wouldn't have much left of it.
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The hype with these magic boxes is insane. Vendors are telling people they need them when they don't...and people who haven't got a clue about them are touting them. 99% of people wouldn't know how to adjust them if their life depended on it. They're flat out complicated... and won't make your car any faster. At least Eric and Bob are honest about it. One of the locals that stays quiet is the only one up here that knows aftermarket ECU's inside and out...and that's it. I wouldn't dare tell someone to spend 3 grand CDN on something for their TR when it wouldn't make a difference. Know why I run a chip, a stock ECM and stock junk? Cuz I piss myself laughing watching guys spend 10 times what I do...and can't run my number.
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i'll take that as a no, you didn't listen to it.
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i'll take that as a no, you didn't listen to it.
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Tuning the new ECM's out there is a science but those folks that make it look easy are really artists in their field. Analyzing the data and then knowing exactly what to adjust has a steep learning curve and that's what attracted me.... the learning curve. The software has an infinite amount of adjustments that you can really make a mess of it if you don't know what you're doing. The inter-action between features alone is mind boggling.
Vendors will be vendors... Just like the rest of us when it comes to paying the bills. The difference is in what we choose to do in order to pay those bills.
I've come to the conclusion that there are two types of car guys out there... maybe three.
The first car guy is the super competitive guy who will pay anything and do anything to win a race. Can usually drive and stir the pot for races but really doesn't know how things work.
The second car guy is the tech guy who wants to know exactly how things work. He will make a change and then look at results to see what difference was made and why the change made a difference. Some are decent drivers but usually know how much time and money is involved in a build and don't push it to the limits like car guy #1. I believe this forum to be for us tech guys.
The 3rd guy is the fella with too much money and no sense whatsoever. He has to have the latest and greatest and is a quick to point out that he has the latest and greatest even though he can't drive. Nor does he understand what he bought nor how it works because he needed to buy the latest and greatest. These guys tend to be click-ish and will talk trash to and about you. These are the guys that keep the shit ass vendors in business even though they get screwed by that said vendor and didn't even realize it.
Soap box complete.
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I think there is a fourth guy, he has either memories or just stories of what he "has at home" or used to have. Comes to the shows or track with his buddies or even by himself and will tell you a story. Even "knows ore than you" about your own car.
Usually these are older fellows but I've had some youngster wth stories too.
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Or the 5th guy like me who did it all and would rather look at young girls in yoga pants then argue over ecm's :cheers:
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If you are into these podcasts and I want to give a giant thank you to Jason for turning me/us onto them, episode 41 has some info on timing for corn fuel as opposed to c16 as opposed pump gas/ meth fuel I found quite interesting and good discussion on refurbished laptops they recommended for tuning. And they recommend a ssd drive and Lenovo corporate returns that have been refurbished. They say these are serviceable as opposed to the retail units that have things soldered to the board. Good stuff.
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Or the 5th guy like me who did it all and would rather look at young girls in yoga pants then argue over ecm's :cheers:
Far too often, it's the young girls in yoga pants that should be wearing spandex instead....
As far as the fourth guy, he lives on the forums these days
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Or the 5th guy like me who did it all and would rather look at young girls in yoga pants then argue over ecm's :cheers:
ooooh That's me - except replace "did it all" with "left his car stock and didn't do anything" :icon_jook:
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Or the 5th guy like me who did it all and would rather look at young girls in yoga pants then argue over ecm's :cheers:
ooooh That's me - except replace "did it all" with "left his car stock and didn't do anything" :icon_jook:
A new fuel pump in the little ladies car, I hope.
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Shout out to Ken White for a mention In episode 41. Jason, did you go to the dynocom event with Ken. They mentioned six turbo Buick guys were there. I'm hoping it isn't too expensive as id like to go to the next one.
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Found some YouTube of this Scott Clark individual.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmHlkt8K55w
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk9TBflkrD8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uqWZoNGvguo
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Shout out to Ken White for a mention In episode 41. Jason, did you go to the dynocom event with Ken. They mentioned six turbo Buick guys were there. I'm hoping it isn't too expensive as id like to go to the next one.
Yes I went but wasn't very impressed. Even stopped listening to the podcasts for a while. I wouldn't recommend going to a one of his basic tuning classes at all. Maybe the advanced tuning class. To be honest, I got more from the sloppy mechanic guy's tuning classes on youtube. https://youtu.be/nFE-imv65qo
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Matt from Sloppy Mechanics is Da' Man! I've posted some of his stuff before.
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Thanks for the heads up on these sloppy guy vids. I will surely take a look and see what it can learn.
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https://www.diyautotune.com/support/tech/other/tunerstudio/ (https://www.diyautotune.com/support/tech/other/tunerstudio/)
A little how to on the tuner studio software
I listen to the podcasts at work. Getting some nifty stuff out of them but they do ramble on with some stuff. I like the idea to log the coolant pressure and the ampere load on the fuel pump. I found a sensor for the ampere but not sure it will work. Gotta get out the logger instructions and see what can be used.
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/lem-usa-inc/HO-50-S/398-1167-ND/4990648 (https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/lem-usa-inc/HO-50-S/398-1167-ND/4990648)
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I found a sensor for the ampere but not sure it will work. Gotta get out the logger instructions and see what can be used.
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/lem-usa-inc/HO-50-S/398-1167-ND/4990648 (https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/lem-usa-inc/HO-50-S/398-1167-ND/4990648)
output -2 to +2 , but since that is AC capable in DC I presume 0-2volt for full scale. I like the single supply requirement, Have used other LEM modules that needed more support.
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I’ll echo sloppy mechanics.
If I’m bored I’ll listen to power and speed.