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General => Bitch/Whine/Moan => Topic started by: I Love Factory ECMs on September 14 2012, 11:56:24 AM
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The following error occurred:You have been banned for the following reason: Being a douchebag. Your ban will be lifted on Oct 14, 2012. Try to state some actual in the field fact's that moderater's refuse the opptions of, an Ka-Pow!!! Banned by buntch Internet Modle's...LOL That sites like being in Kindergarden.. . Enjoy! (if your bored check out my last post in there turbo lounge...;^) )
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The following error occurred:You have been banned for the following reason: Being a douchebag. Your ban will be lifted on Oct 14, 2012. Try to state some actual in the field fact's that moderater's refuse the opptions of, an Ka-Pow!!! Banned by buntch Internet Modle's...LOL That sites like being in Kindergarden.. . Enjoy! (if your bored check out my last post in there turbo lounge...;^) )
I though the lounge was pretty much open for anything as long as it was not degrading to anyone?
It used to be run well, I do know a few mod's over there and they are very easy going unless you get out of hand.
There was the crap section where anything went. then the political section came along.
Then the bull crap came along with out right lies about people and if you stood up for the person you where chastised.
I can not recall when I have been on there last. Do I miss it sure, I have friends there.
I will not deal with those scenario's; I have better things to do with my time.
Life is way to short to have to worry about nonsense!
Just move on, enjoy life.
AJ___
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Many won't agree with your facts but there's no reason to delete posts or ban you.
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Many won't agree with your facts but there's no reason to delete posts or ban you.
I agree they refuse to think about any other possiable cuase's then Fuel an Trans. an Tune issues, I know where there coming from,I spent $30,000 to find out,I know you can add things to help tune the stock box,But it's Funny how the people complaining on what i'm trying to relay, All switched over to A Aftermarket ECM in there Sig. yet harp to others, no stay stock... now i'm banned,When i'm allowed back, i'm tell'm to just F. O.
Enjoy!
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you were banned because you basically hijacked another users post in the engine tech section preaching about how a stock ecm cant run over 5000 rpm or over 100mph its a grenade , then when you were advised to move it to a thead of your own you continued your rant.
had you moved and started a new thread you wouldnt be here crying or rather trying to convince those here how you were banned for posting your opinion . you were banned because you didnt move off the thread
you're an idiot if you think 3 stock ecms failed three motors
blowing a headgasket before the 1/8th , headgaskets dont just let go they need help and if you were watching the tune they would still be there or you stop and find out why its knocking
blowing it again before the 1/8 (see above)
dropping a valve again before the 1/8th ..how does dropping a valve come back to the conclusion the stock ecm cant get it done over 5000rpm or 100mph just because you couldnt get past there.
plenty of guys running very fast in tens and 9s with stock ecm , the tt chip makes going faster so much easier .
so you went xfi and no problems , so it was the ecm and aftermarket ecu is the only way to go fast ..really nothing else changed ??
and fyi i switched to fast not because i had isssues going fast with a stock ecm but because other cars i was working on were equipped with fast and xfi and to work on them i needed hands on experience which i got using them on my own vehicles
i went 10.41 stock ecm and stock block not once but years of test and tune and bracket racing, two to three nights a week, well over 600 passes
besides i change my stuff around alot trying parts out so having to go through chips was getting to be time consuming when with fast i can make the changes and head on out to the track
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you were banned because you basically hijacked another users post in the engine tech section preaching about how a stock ecm cant run over 5000 rpm or over 100mph its a grenade , then when you were advised to move it to a thead of your own you continued your rant.
had you moved and started a new thread you wouldnt be here crying or rather trying to convince those here how you were banned for posting your opinion . you were banned because you didnt move off the thread
you're an idiot if you think 3 stock ecms failed three motors
blowing a headgasket before the 1/8th , headgaskets dont just let go they need help and if you were watching the tune they would still be there or you stop and find out why its knocking
blowing it again before the 1/8 (see above)
dropping a valve again before the 1/8th ..how does dropping a valve come back to the conclusion the stock ecm cant get it done over 5000rpm or 100mph just because you couldnt get past there.
plenty of guys running very fast in tens and 9s with stock ecm , the tt chip makes going faster so much easier .
so you went xfi and no problems , so it was the ecm and aftermarket ecu is the only way to go fast ..really nothing else changed ??
and fyi i switched to fast not because i had isssues going fast with a stock ecm but because other cars i was working on were equipped with fast and xfi and to work on them i needed hands on experience which i got using them on my own vehicles
i went 10.41 stock ecm and stock block not once but years of test and tune and bracket racing, two to three nights a week, well over 600 passes
besides i change my stuff around alot trying parts out so having to go through chips was getting to be time consuming when with fast i can make the changes and head on out to the track
Right,WHATEVER, i mention, hey Guy (the thread owner) try an Aftermarket ECM, there very benifical,Then all you come out with Screw that Guy ,leave the stock one in it'll work for what ever you throw at it.....I'm attacked in ever thread on your site about aftermarket an facorty ECM when all i'm doing is suggjesting. (an not from never being there before)
Then by you all's request i was going to post the Evidence i Have!!! video's,dyno sheet's,an only scantool log i had, but have all 3 views of a pass,an the Error's in it,You ban me....Right on!!!
Three differant combo's,Three differant custom chips from Eric,two differant ECM's one facory, one Quadair mod an over 20 year Buick Specialist Dyno job equal all 3 1/8 mile wonders..all new parts,nothing used! from motor to the rear...
Went XFI an not looking back, only passing the word, Aftermarket ECM's are the wave of the Future!!!
Not just XFI
(by the way , i rather ran BigStuff3, but i could find any,This when Red went MIA...8^(...)
Enjoy!
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You seem not to get it. Over the years so many have past the threshold you were stuck at and blew up. Paul pointed to your tuning skills or the people who advised you screwed up not the ECM. I also have similar results as Paul with my stock ecm and 50lb inj's. I also helped tune many into the 10's with stock ECM's. Your crusade here will fall on deaf ears. I have no clue what your court case was about. It only awarded you compensation based on whatever was presented. OJ Simpson had a good lawyer too. Time to chill out
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Scantoll log file posted in ECM bus thread,
True my tuning skills lack,tried to pay to get a car to modle from first from a forum known tuner an chip marker,But that's all changing now ,i have XFI,no more generic chips
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You also have to realize that many blow up with Fast/XFI with users/tuners lacking knowledge how to tune.
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You also have to realize that many blow up with Fast/XFI with users/tuners lacking knowledge how to tune.
I go to the Source,I've had enough expenise an time lost, I have a date again with Cal Hartline this Tues. for the Virgin fire-up..
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I have a date again with Cal Hartline this Tues. for the Virgin fire-up..
So the ""solution" hasn't even been started yet?
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I have a date again with Cal Hartline this Tues. for the Virgin fire-up..
So the ""solution" hasn't even been started yet?
Car's Ran before,Yes, my dumbarse didn't have the boost line tied on an cracked a sleve,Even with a the sleve cracked i wasted a M2 two seater on street, never made the Track, the sleve wasn't chrome moly too machinst told me, Now !!Brand new Virgin 109,with all interds trans overed,same everything but with traction control,2.0 update,XFI's boost control.
This below was week before i screwed the pouch by mechanical means...
87' Grand National on the Hunt!!.. Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef-2mkqCXu0#ws)
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This is the first run (the first $8000 expeneture out of 3)
i 1.98 short timed (spun tires)1/8 mile ""7.4 at 99mph"" ,11.4at119mph.
Buick GN vs Turbo Supra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KGQs8Pt68I#)
Headgasket little past the 1/8,in the comments i said 26 tall tire,was 28",typoed, i had 26's on my 73 camaro
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howTF is a headgasket $8000.00
and that pass was easily cranked up over 500hp heading for a ten sec pass
what was the boost
oh and btw if gasket let out at the 1/8 as you say you didnt lift when it let go as you picked up 20 at the top , it didnt just die off at 99 like you say you drove the shit out of it to 119 and killed it
the more facts i see the more i feel you needed a sit down primer on tuning 101 and to do the learning needed before you got into a buick ..these arent just get in and gunnit cars
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howTF is a headgasket $8000.00
and that pass was easily cranked up over 500hp heading for a ten sec pass
what was the boost
$8000 Was my first bill from KDK on first build,(went roller cam,translator,extender,billet trans,art carr,alky) the same in scantool logs i posted an dyno sheet,the one in the vid with supra, at little past 1/8 it blew head gasket.( no trailer,limped it home). I brought my car to KDK after having my car at John's at Bowling Green Customs who screwed me with whiped flat tapped cam fresh build...You have no Idea on the motors i been through the last 6 years....LOL . all from buick pros to supposedly.
I know the car was hauling arse, Why'd it Die??? 22-23psi boost only, same as scantool logs, an dyno sheet's, i didn't touch a thing from the Shop. wanted a working car before i tried learning it all, i never made it past the 1/8 with out motor leaning out!! no matter what they tried,3 differant motor's, Each build i added speed parts,I'm the poster child for if it blows ,go Faster!! If i could ever get a working car, I'll be in Fat City!
I paid for 1/4 mile drag car, I got 1/8 mile car,They couldn't find the leanout condion for anything..it goes lean by it's self,not through the tune KDK said. If you pay someone for build, you Expect it to go down the track At Least on it's first pass striaght out there shop when They Said it Would...So i tried it, No Dice..Nor anyother time,I've ownd a Buick since 86 production,only stored it for 10 years an built something else (10.80,street tire,stock sus.73 camero) Not New to the Cars what so ever,Only the tuning now,which is all interchangeiab le now ,of which will be no issue after i get my car back an have it Running for while...;^)
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i told you why it popped on the other thread
you wanted to learn so you took it out real world and went balls to wall with a dyno tune without looking at kr or 02s and thrashed it for 1320ft,..... then drove it home hurt
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i told you why it popped on the other thread
you wanted to learn so you took it out real world and went balls to wall with a dyno tune without looking at kr or 02s and thrashed it for 1320ft,..... then drove it home hurt
Which is the reason that most of us would never, ever, take a dyno tune to the track without making some adjustments before hand. Running a car at the track is different from running a car on the rollers.
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i posted an dyno sheet,the one in the vid with supra, at little past 1/8 it blew head gasket.( no trailer,limped it home). I brought my car to KDK after having my car at John's at Bowling Green Customs who screwed me with whiped flat tapped cam fresh build...You have no Idea on the motors i been through the last 6 years....LOL . all from buick pros to supposedly.
They couldn't find the leanout condion for anything..it goes lean by it's self,not through the tune KDK said. If you pay someone for build, you Expect it to go down the track At Least on it's first pass striaght out there shop when They Said it Would...So i tried it
Bowling Green Customs has been out of business for over a decade (if not 10 years, damn close)????
So they told you it ran lean up top, they couldn't figure out how to solve the problem and you go balls out on the first pass and blow it up?? Based on what you just said you took a car that can't run up top and blew it up. (then stayed in it another 1/4 mile). Just curious, did it have antifreeze in it for the limp home?
You and I have a much different thought process. I don't go balls to the wall after an oil change.
I've got three cars with BFGs on them. If I let the air out of each set and drive on them till something breaks, do you think your attorney could get me $30,000 too?
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i posted an dyno sheet,the one in the vid with supra, at little past 1/8 it blew head gasket.( no trailer,limped it home). I brought my car to KDK after having my car at John's at Bowling Green Customs who screwed me with whiped flat tapped cam fresh build...You have no Idea on the motors i been through the last 6 years....LOL . all from buick pros to supposedly.
They couldn't find the leanout condion for anything..it goes lean by it's self,not through the tune KDK said. If you pay someone for build, you Expect it to go down the track At Least on it's first pass striaght out there shop when They Said it Would...So i tried it
Bowling Green Customs has been out of business for over a decade (if not 10 years, damn close) ??? ?
So they told you it ran lean up top, they couldn't figure out how to solve the problem and you go balls out on the first pass and blow it up?? Based on what you just said you took a car that can't run up top and blew it up. (then stayed in it another 1/4 mile). Just curious, did it have antifreeze in it for the limp home?
You and I have a much different thought process. I don't go balls to the wall after an oil change.
I've got three cars with BFGs on them. If I let the air out of each set and drive on them till something breaks, do you think your attorney could get me $30,000 too?
Yeap,10 years i been messing with this car,I've owned a GN since 86'( it got totaled with 113,000mile on o.d. by girlfreind so in 90' i bought an 87',The 86' was still under dealer warrenty, Unlimited miles/10 years, ),Early 2000 car went to John he had it 4 years,KDK 3 years,...before that was stored when i was loosing motors to whipe flat tappets early 90's,(all the lead was taken out the oils) then later the additives came out. The headgasket wasn't major, but was one,Thats why i did another full freshen up rebuild,with added parts, Blown-up go Faster my mato..After alot street play i did the track trip,it fell over just like on the street,just like there dyno test was,I expected them to solve the problem not dick me around,KDK has his own 10 sec car too,Cotton's white car was having same issue as mine but up north at his shop on his dyno..this all 4-5 years ago now,I told KDK my goals,He's said i was good to go!, So hell yea, i ran my car out the 1/4.... Thats what i paid him $8000 for....then 2 more times, What i paid for i was never deliviered , don't matter if race car or not. Wasn't my resposiableity to re-check an go over the whole car when i paid KDK, a performance automitive place to do it have it fully track ready. Check your state's lemon law, ;^)
If you want your lawsuit won, change your 3 car's tires over to Firestones!!! If you tamper with the product that voids any warrenty ,the Firestone will let there own Air Out! I want my cut the settlement!!
8^)
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.After alot street play i did the track trip,it fell over just like on the street,just like there dyno test was,I expected them to solve the problem not dick me around
So it wasn't running right, you put it on the track and blew it up. And it's someone else's fault...
Wasn't my resposiableity to re-check an go over the whole car when i paid KDK, a performance automitive place to do it have it fully track ready. Check your state's lemon law, ;^)
Actually, yes it was. Even it was running right when it left the shop, do you expect them to follow you around every day to make sure it's in tune or the owner doesn't break it on purpose? I don't know of any shop that will guarantee any engine to be "track ready". It's flat out not possible.
Lemon laws are for new cars under warranty. Not to protect checkbook hotrodders that abuse the shops work to death.
If you want your lawsuit won, change your 3 car's tires over to Firestones!!! If you tamper with the product that voids any warrenty ,the Firestone will let there own Air Out! I want my cut the settlement!!
8^)
Not surprisingly you missed the entire point of that hypothetical.
Like I said, you and I have a much different thought process. Hell, the chick at Great Clips even asks me if I'm happy before I pay her. In my mind once I pay her, the rest is one me.
Then again, I don't care who's "fault" anything is. I go by who's responsibility it is to keep my car running. That answer is me.
I just spent over 7 years putting my car back on the road after it was stolen. I know exactly who's fault that was.... I also knew who was responsible for putting it back together.
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When people tried stealing mine out the driveway at 3am when i just left a bar,I came out with CAR-15 (paratrooper m-16), Those 3 guy's Scattered!! 2 got away, i identified the third one at 4am the cops caught,had the chopper's out an all,...Never Leave you GN alone in an Open Air Area...;^)...I had to fix the doorlock an steering column. As for KDK , I expressly told him to tune it for the Track. I want a 1/4 mile track tune because it's going to the Track when he finished it/delivered it....He agreed an took my money an said car's Ready for the Track! My first track run in it is All what he built an tuned in to it over 1 year..The suit after he just let his insurance handle it, no skin off his back...8^/....But as for him being a Listed as a Buick Specialist in the Hi-Performance area ,That's false advertising,other wize i'd have Running 10sec car with first build...heh..
When Cal tunes my car, I make sure it's the way i want it, After that,.It's all mine!!! as is no warrenty's. He'd have no responsibly for motor,he didn't build it...KDK on other hand installed everything into my car but didn't complete the job assigned.
If a shop takes your money an doesn't deliver what was both "fully agreed" too. You can let you money go an go somewhere else or Can get it back. Most shop's have "You" sign an disclamer statement,Sign that, True, you won't get sqaut back for failuar. Thats free ticket for shops to do as they please.Haircut ting's a repetitive process, Motor's builds shouldn't be,but was to Me (or hopfully not anymore)..8^)
Enjoy!
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I've forgotten more about this stuff that most people will ever know. You could hand me $100,000 and I'd never say I'd warranty a track car. I damn sure wouldn't do it for $8000.
I almost wonder if you have a tired fuel pump or a flow restriction between the fuel and the injectors. Wouldn't it be funny if your ECM problems are from a pin hole leak or a rust flake in the FPR signal hose?
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I've forgotten more about this stuff that most people will ever know. You could hand me $100,000 and I'd never say I'd warranty a track car. I damn sure wouldn't do it for $8000.
I almost wonder if you have a tired fuel pump or a flow restriction between the fuel and the injectors. Wouldn't it be funny if your ECM problems are from a pin hole leak or a rust flake in the FPR signal hose?
Brand New" XPR1 (Reds pump) Hotwired an Volt Boosted,(we took out my old xp pump an aux. mounted pump,a Bosh pump off a 87' turbo 944 Porsche,did it because of age), On the dyno sheet i posted in ECM bus thread, it had full 68 psi. so guess again...heh Everything was gone through checked an or replaced if at all iffy..another reason i paid alot. He'd didn't have to give me a max HP motor i guess like he did, i told him i want Operational track car. So any tune that'd got be to end the 1/4 mile been Perfect, I could took over from there...;^)
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With all that stuff, it is time for you to belly up and take responsibility for blowing it up....you were the one behind the wheel and the one with eyes on the O2s and the Timing Retard. The more you post, the more apparent it is that you simply did not have a clue about what you were doing.
You are building a beautiful car. Perhaps it would be a good idea to stick to car shows until you learn something about tuning. No one that knows anything about the cars is going to give you any credence and if the person that you sued had had a jury of his peers, you would have left the courtroom charged with paying the court costs.
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Imagine if a single engine pilot had your knowledge of tuning. He goes to the hanger mechanic on a clear dry low humidity day and say's "give me a tune for 5000 ft" Now you go flying a few days later on a very humid day and at 5000ft your plane goes "put put bang bang bang put put poof and stalls" Now your on a spiral nosedive to the ground thinking I should of read the book in pilot school about how density altitude and weather effects tuning.
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With all that stuff, it is time for you to belly up and take responsibility for blowing it up....you were the one behind the wheel and the one with eyes on the O2s and the Timing Retard. The more you post, the more apparent it is that you simply did not have a clue about what you were doing.
You are building a beautiful car. Perhaps it would be a good idea to stick to car shows until you learn something about tuning. No one that knows anything about the cars is going to give you any credence and if the person that you sued had had a jury of his peers, you would have left the courtroom charged with paying the court costs.
I blew-up what was supposedly guaranteed for at least the minimum of One 1/4 mile pass,True there was no writing on it, was verbal .So the explosion's are on KDK,even gave him 2 other try's,he had Full Rene (with my cash an parts in trade) over the entire car an build,Your correct,I did blow up his tune i guess,there's no real solid explanation yet other than Lean tune ,This all was 4 years ago, still had the idiot dash 0-85 an single boost only gauge with one Water temp in lower right pannel. Now, i Have all the gauges i need, AIR/FUEL gauge is above my Boost gauge in the Pillar pods, 4 years ago, your correct, I paid to have it all done,I have no work area or dyno or any idea how to set translator box or adjust the Extender chip,Was to be inspected an track ready! You've read where that got me, Now's a whole different story....The car's twice as Fast an doesn't fall over what so ever, Solid pull till i decide to let off. I still have the last quad air ECM modded for large injectors. Anyone can give me $150 an try it out, I'll gladly refund the cash when it's returned...be selling a lot old parts soon ;^)
What ever you think, He had No Case...wasn't just the Motors in the suit ;^),only way he'd got out of it would actually do the job he had been assigned or close business an declare bankruptcy. He choose his Insurance
Only reason i'm not hitting the track is i have to brake-in the new rearend first,i'm not even going to dyno it like the last time with Cal,We'er just going to put nice 22psi boost street tune one it,He's did it before, Car fly's, An i watch Gauge's, All's Gravey!!!
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Imagine if a single engine pilot had your knowledge of tuning. He goes to the hanger mechanic on a clear dry low humidity day and say's "give me a tune for 5000 ft" Now you go flying a few days later on a very humid day and at 5000ft your plane goes "put put bang bang bang put put poof and stalls" Now your on a spiral nosedive to the ground thinking I should of read the book in pilot school about how density altitude and weather effects tuning.
LOL.. the last motor, the 3rd, Came straight out is shop an Next day to the track with him have all the Info on. Goodbye #1 intake vale in new GN1 head's,there's no peddling it, once it hit a certain point it fell over .Damage been done """not to mention All the Damage probably already done on KDK's dyno messing with it,""""..... "Ring" "Ring" Cal, add XFI an first tune please, Cal "No Problem!!!", current Date, Car runs to any speed an's Twice as Fast as Before...8^)
I got crappy tuner,or there was ECM issue,or all combined.Just glad it's Over! But other can benefit from my hard times...;^) Some people are Drivers an others Mechanics,I'm just lucky to have a Team Owner...LOL
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Woulda's - Coulda's - an the Shoulda's, All in the Past,an all taken care of!!!!. That's reason car went to paint ,was Waiting till the motor'd stay in it at least a year...8^)
I'm just after an Defenant answer on the failur, But i guess with the time gone by an only one full set build info,I just won't ever be able to get the Answer..."Welcome to the Gray Fog of Racing"
Only thing i regret out of anything was storing the car for 10 year's an allowing all that Information around between then to slip by...(But not Now!!)
Enjoy!
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Only reason i'm not hitting the track is i have to brake-in the new rearend first,i'm not even going to dyno it like the last time.
WOW really?
AJ___
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I'm just after an Defenant answer on the failur
Abuse
Or less to the point... "Customer knowingly operated car outside of acceptable paramateurs resulting in severe damage. Customer then continued to operate while damaged resulting in catastrophic failure."
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I'm just after an Defenant answer on the failur
Abuse
Or less to the point... "Customer knowingly operated car outside of acceptable paramateurs resulting in severe damage. Customer then continued to operate while damaged resulting in catastrophic failure."
lol ..What??? Drag racing is Abuse??? Damn guess i'll have to stick to "Sunday Drives" ....NOT!!
Well if you want to get generic: Try Consumer Fraud:
The Customer Paid a Knowingly an Supposedly as Advertised Experienced Buick Grand National "Performance"expert for complete rebuild,ready to run an Tuned for 1/4 mile drag car for the that express reason, But in return got only "1/2" the performance of what was Paid for.
After my own research last night,either through the tuning of KDK,or the Extender Chip,Absolutely no Third Gear enrichment tune was tried or attempted. Wasn't done due to them just not doing it, Or they couldn't even get to that point to try due to the ECM like they an others have said.
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I wonder what KDK would have to say about this. I have never heard of a warranty on a race engine - and would never expect one. Maybe gross negligence (which would be very hard to prove), but your shit blew because you don't know what you are doing.
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yes, drag racing is abuse. We should all know that the faster we go, the quicker something breaks. But your lack of knowledge turned it into criminal abuse. Time to grow a pair and stop blaming others for your lack of knowledge.
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It's a good thing your not a fisherman or you will be suing all the bait shops for not catching fish.
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Some have the knowlege,some pay for it, I paid for It an got Robbed!
I'm up to speed now...8^)
If i can keep a Laser Beam on a peice of papers Edge while it's travles at 14,000 mph 255miles all from my front yard. That also includes GPS input,leveling an sky alginment on computerized telescope. All trcking it manualy by Eyeball Then produce a Photo of the International Space Station in Orbit...(not to mention i can produce Hubble images an fully photo process them in ,RegiStax 5.1,Deepspace stacker,Nebulasity2 computer programs....)
(now that where fishing,get haircuts an real job's,with letting people's air out the tires)
Tuning the XFI's a Breeze for all my conditions i prefur!! I've passed on the Factory route, to out dated,to many wires, the chips you'd need for street or track.
"I wonder what KDK would have to say about this."....
He "know's" i'm Hard on Cars,i go to the Track with mine.....Hope he'll give "you" a straight answer..(doubt it)...Gave "me" I don't Know what problem is (I find that to be BS)
He's use to ole foggy's with street cars that want to go fast an Drop any amount of money, He must thought i was the same sucker's....
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You paid for it, and then you screwed yourself. Give it up. No one that knows anything about cars is going to take you seriously.
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As intelligent as you profess. Please use some grammar so I need not guess what you are saying.
AJ___
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Have you found ANYONE on any forum that agrees with your stock ECM stance? I am curious.
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This is a funny thread.. I know its not meant to be tho. I can honestly say that if i took my car to be tuned by someone known to Buicks, and the first time i drive it to the tracks it blew up, I'd be pissed. Lol. Thats just me tho. The part of tuning(to me at least) is the shop checking the O2's, A/F ratio, etc. I was jus thinking that he could've got some bad gas. I could be way off but whatever. Freedom of speech. Glad the car is running tho. :atbeer:
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Have you found ANYONE on any forum that agrees with your stock ECM stance? I am curious.
I just read this whole thread (it wanders a bit) but that was the original reason he was banned (along with jumping on the guys thread) so I was also wondering if Anyone has Ever Agreed with this Theory about Stock ECM's??
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As intelligent as you profess. Please use some grammar so I need not guess what you are saying.
AJ___
Spelling,grammar,Typo's with big fingers, Worst Attributes!!! ;^),i'm a blue collar worker outdoors, not in door secretary,,,hhehehe
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Have you found ANYONE on any forum that agrees with your stock ECM stance? I am curious.
Have i found anyone "Online' , No, there all Internet Modles,LOL, that Prefure the use of Aftermarket ECM's on there car's yet having everyone else try factory one out first.....
Now in the real world with phone call's to real people in the GN busniess world, Yes,(An it's said to be a Secret) Expieriments on the car itself,muiltipul shop's having the issue at same time as mine an now more an more are poping up on the board with it.
Somehow there " was " a an Issue,It could of been something nobody knew about an they just happen to add it to my car before properly field tested,Maybe, "Now" the issue's been fixed,Happens when you try to go State of the Art...I wanted an DFI or XFI on my car from day one at KDK, He assured me i didn't need it an to go "His Way",I did, i racked the first motor up to Misscomunicati on! All on me, After 2 others, Sorry Charlie, Not my doing...
The Glove only Fit 1/2 my Hand, You must Aquit!! ( O.J.)
My car was given the Improper Dose's an Died (Micheal Jackson)
We can do this all year, Not resolving the issue i an "Others" Have or Had maybe by now...
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YOU can do it "all year", but you are wrong, and beating the drum makes you look stupid.
Take a small percentage of the huge amount you are spending on motors an buy some books on how to tune, and listen to the grizzled veterans that are telling you what the REAL issue is.
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The only problem here is your brain dead. Because your blew up a few times you blame parts, ecms or vendors. Look in the mirror and see who caused it all. There is nothing wrong with aftermarket ecm systems. They are great and came a long way since DFI systems. Same goes for chips and stock ecms. But both need some kind of input to get the full potential out of them. For your cars performance level either would do fine. A hired tuner like Cal can give you a basic safe tune in his shop but won't be any better then a safe tune on a chip. stock ecm. If he goes to the track with you and tunes after every run from his knowledge you will get to the edge of your build. As said before the XFI has more bells and whistles for this. But this only work if adjusted by a pro after each run. It's not a magic one time setting you leave his shop with. It takes years of experience that you don't have. Same goes for a chip. after a run you look at your datalogger and see what adjustments need to be made. The time of day, track temps humidity and altitude all can dictate how to tune a car. If Cal reads this thread and see how dumb you are he may change his mind dealing with you.
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listen to the grizzled veterans that are telling you what the REAL issue is.
If "I" wasn't ""told"" by Bigger Grizzly's i guess then you back at that time (Example: Jason White,Cal Hartline,Cottons Perf.) there's an issue,I wouldn't of mentioned it what so ever,an Yeap,They All Said go Aftermarket ECM for My type of car plans an build......So, if anyone plans on running in the 10's i "Suggested" the same thing,But in doing so it's a constant battle between the Die Hard Factory users an what's actually the best for there combination long term an adjustability,Welcome to the inernet....
Show me 1 "Currently Running" car's thread running 8.9's in the 1/4 mile on street tire with out being tubbed. or a powerglide. on Factory ECM an tunable Chip.......
I'll show you 20+ other's running the same time that have switched over...makes you think there's a reason for that.Just some fail to see it...(the old dog an the new tricks)
All you have to do is find One... Any one running 11's an up, I'm sure stock might get you by..I don't have an 11 sec car...
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Here you go:
You are wrong - the motor failures are YOUR fault.
You are welcome here - but drop the ECM discussion. I don't want other, less technical members thinking there's any credence to your claims.
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Maybe move this to the " Official IHADAV8 joke" thread
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I read the entire "Steve Wood required Reading last night",Super informative!!!
But getting out of date,a lot company's in it are gone,( i used them before,ATR,Eastern perf.etc,etc)
I replayed an replayed the scan tool log for first build ,looking at the Numbers an meanings,I came up with A possible solution...!!!
Should got online an read that before KDK , but the past's the past,So...in reading it....
KDK also swore the 'Non-Oilcooler what so ever route' ,mmm,,Hello Detonation!!! after drive to the track to Run on hot oil.....
Other thing was O2 count,in the 600's,the write-up says should been in 740 on alky...
My car "was" built a differant Internet way before,was made to Fail, by reading Steve's write-up...
Good thing is, I , by "myself" through my knowledge of Racing ,i Now have a car now fully designed for longitivy less my Lead Foot..Bhahahah .Now Last Thing, Learn the XFI,give me 1 year or less with my car running an being able to hook-up to it with my lap-top,I'll be fully profisant,I've gone through it some,read the different adjustable charts an how they correspond to another charts. ( with my car only of course,8^))
I posted the scan log in ECM bus thread,but i'll post here,If anyone has the same combo an fixed the 3 rd gear fall off, there Car Will Haul Arse!!!! (read the Accle meter an HP numbers, I had to peddle the car due to spin, you see it in the log,Car never recovered after that....Number Matching Motor!!! (larger valve ported "stock" heads,te-48turbo,50inj,3:50 gear,3500rpm 9" art carr 200r4,single Alky kit,22-23psi boost)
Sorry for any greif's 8^(
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Maybe move this to the " Official IHADAV8 joke" thread
Good point - "Bitch/Whine/Moan" seems more fitting though.
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They Blowed Up!! They Blowed up REAL GOOD!!!!!! :rofl:
Sorry but I couldn't stop myself from typing that but since I've "Blowed Up' a few of my own I can make light of it! :player:
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Why yall being so mean to this dude? :icon_confused:
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Why yall being so mean to this dude? :icon_confused:
Did you read the entire thread?
no one is being "mean", he just doesn't listen
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Oh yeah, I read it. My conclusion to my readings is that he feels that any car quicker than 11 seconds should ditch the stock ECM, and that the stock ECM(plus the shops) are to blame for all of his blown motors. Or, am i wrong? :icon_neutral:
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lol ..What??? Drag racing is Abuse??? Damn guess i'll have to stick to "Sunday Drives" ....NOT!!
No, drag racing is a legitimate reason not to warranty an engine.
Abuse is when some checkbook hotrodder knows an engine runs lean up top and has a decision to make.... Either find someone that can fix it OR knowingly beat the shit out of it until it blows up. You chose poorly.
After my own research last night,either through the tuning of KDK,or the Extender Chip,Absolutely no Third Gear enrichment tune was tried or attempted.
Unless it's a registered trademark, there's no such thing as a "Third Gear enrichment tune".
I think I have a knob on my translator that says "WOT fuel". I wonder what would happen if I turn it to the right a click or two?
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Oh yeah, I read it. My conclusion to my readings is that he feels that any car quicker than 11 seconds should ditch the stock ECM, and that the stock ECM(plus the shops) are to blame for all of his blown motors. Or, am i wrong? :icon_neutral:
You are correct. He has and continues to ignore advice from some of the most knowledgeable TR gurus in the business.
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Oh yeah, I read it. My conclusion to my readings is that he feels that any car quicker than 11 seconds should ditch the stock ECM, and that the stock ECM(plus the shops) are to blame for all of his blown motors. Or, am i wrong? :icon_neutral:
You are correct. He has and continues to ignore advice from some of the most knowledgeable TR gurus in the business.
Oh. It's possible that he's classifying all the "gurus" as the same based on the ones he blame that ruined his car. Lol. Im not at all saying thats right, im just saying that could be HIS logic. Going back under my rock. I can only say that I personally have NOT been steered wrong by the guys on here, as I will continue to learn from you all. :rock:
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Do you have a Scanmaster? If so, can you see it from the driver's seat?
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As intelligent as you profess. Please use some grammar so I need not guess what you are saying.
AJ___
This is starting to sound like the crap on other sites. It should soon be over though.(http://www.ihadav8.com/forum/Themes/default/images/post/thumbdown.gif)
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It is his logic. Unfortunately for him, just showing up doesn't guarantee a 1st place trophy like in grade school.
If he buys a new telescope tracking device and it comes with a letter that says there's sand in the mechanism and it shouldn't be actuated until the debris is cleaned out... It is really Amazon's fault when he ruins it without cleaning out the sand?
He thinks that a stock ECM has someway of knowing how much horsepower an engine makes and then leans it out when too much power is made. That's flat out not true. (and it disgusts me that he convinced a court of law that a business should lose $30K over it)
WOT fueling is the easiest thing the ECM does. It opens the injectors for "X" amount of milliseconds ever other crank revolution. That's it. That's all the magic.
Lets say you've maxxxed out 30# injectors and you're flowing enough fuel to make 400HP at WOT. (nice even numbers)
If you do nothing else but put 60# injectors in thier place you will now flow exactly twice the fuel and have enough to support 800HP.
*caveat* yes, idle and cruse will be pig rich, yes the fuel pump might not keep up, yes, engines aren't 100% efficient, etc.....
Keep reading and asking questions Phil. That's the best way to learn. Not to mention when you do a mod or upgrade on your car it makes it more yours. And that's hotrodding.
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I concur
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People are reading what they want to hear,an then the Jealousy sets-in,An the Words start Flying out... The Court was convinced on it's Own of Consumer Fraud.
As for me not listening to Pro's, i guess we all have different set Pro's, The Pro's i "Speak" to, an "Named" deal with High Horsepower Custom application's an own there own Cars....
I'm taking an finding it these "other" Internet Pro's prefer Factory pieces an there car's haven't even hit the 9's yet,can these Internet Pro's tune an XFI 2.0,Bigstuf3,DFI, If not there useless to me now, but What ever floats your boats...8^)
Feel free to list "these" Internet Pro's so maybe someone can communicate with Them,then other then just saying " Listen to the nameless wanna be Pro's on Internet".
I recall a "paul" an one other...that's whole 2 people,are they in the 9's no issues? (of course Street tired,no trans brake)
i did the low 12's stock, tried the low 11's with stockish pieces an a Pro,No Dice, then jumped down to low ten's high 9's capibilty now, If people aren't going that fast,an aren't on XF1 2.0 they haven't the experience for my Current build to inform me about anything...The past build,SURE, have at it..ole news to me
Hell, even in Steve Woods write up,There's a time an place for Aftermarket Unit,denying that now too?
Maybe a re-read? LOL Enjoy!
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It is his logic. Unfortunately for him, just showing up doesn't guarantee a 1st place trophy like in grade school.
If he buys a new telescope tracking device and it comes with a letter that says there's sand in the mechanism and it shouldn't be actuated until the debris is cleaned out... It is really Amazon's fault when he ruins it without cleaning out the sand?
He thinks that a stock ECM has someway of knowing how much horsepower an engine makes and then leans it out when too much power is made. That's flat out not true. (and it disgusts me that he convinced a court of law that a business should lose $30K over it)
WOT fueling is the easiest thing the ECM does. It opens the injectors for "X" amount of milliseconds ever other crank revolution. That's it. That's all the magic.
Lets say you've maxxxed out 30# injectors and you're flowing enough fuel to make 400HP at WOT. (nice even numbers)
If you do nothing else but put 60# injectors in thier place you will now flow exactly twice the fuel and have enough to support 800HP.
*caveat* yes, idle and cruse will be pig rich, yes the fuel pump might not keep up, yes, engines aren't 100% efficient, etc.....
Keep reading and asking questions Phil. That's the best way to learn. Not to mention when you do a mod or upgrade on your car it makes it more yours. And that's hotrodding.
That was KDK's train of Thought,If he'd add more it'll go away,Instead of the Proper Tune for what i Had..he was saying, "Oh your exhaust is costing you 40 hp, Rear end holding up some more, etc,etc", all to try an get the most out of the motor instead of tune it for Reliably. Never fixed the issue..... Each time he'd add something,he most kept the same BS tune..I went from 50's,to 60's to 72's, Same Issue each time.....
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No one is saying that when you get down to the 9's and low 10's that an aftermarket ECM has features that may be advantageous.
What you are missing is that you are wrong that the cause for all of your engine failures was the factory ECM. It's pretty simple. And you spouting that factory ECMs are shit, and hijacking other people's threads over at TB.com is what got you banned.
All of the aftermarket ECM guys will love you, they are going to make bank off of you.
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can't we move this junk to someplace where it is hard to find?
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Wait - is this Norbs?
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Wait - is this Norbs?
muwahahahaha
You have the access to the info check it out. :P
AJ___
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More prefured Reading, I've said Stock Units have there place, as do Aftermarket, all depends where you like your car to be at the end the day, 'peroid'
not that there junk,not they don't work at all,I've seen some work,I took one 160mph stock with pitbull ATR chip, but i see none on cars in the range Speed Range i'm shooting for...
As for highjaking a thread, you should read the Thread owner's title of the threads i've post in, they say......"IF ANYONE HAS ANY IDEA'S PLEASE POST' , So, i did, simple Aftermarket ECM has more benifits in the long run ,
hell, this getting kidergradenish too
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Cat calling the Kettle Black......... ........
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Wait - is this Norbs?
Damn Mark that's funny. And I think you're right!!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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The Pro's i "Speak" to, an "Named" deal with High Horsepower Custom application's an own there own Cars....
You just described me. I even take it to the next step and do my own machine work on my custom builds.
Hell, even in Steve Woods write up,There's a time an place for Aftermarket Unit,denying that now too?
Maybe a re-read? LOL Enjoy!
He did say that. And it's not time and you're not there.
No need for a re-read. I have the aptitude to follow Steve's writing. It's actually pretty easy to follow. His thoughts are based on personal experience, collective experience and basic science. Magic beans and miracle numbers need not apply.
On the other hand when I read something like this: "Me under WOT, the factory boost gauge line slid off. The XFI saved the motor but it did cause radiator fluid damage."
and this one
"My guess it's out the exhaust or i have sleeve cylinder malfunction."
It makes me feel dumberer for being exposed to it.
Did KDK (or whatever their name is) give you enough money to get a trailer with a nice winch too? From what I've read, you need to buy a good winch from a company (with a shitload of product liability insurance) and travel car show to car show.
Then you can spend lots of time talking about your car that's now "jumped down to low ten's high 9's capibilty"(sic). Bench racing is just as good.
Signed,
no name internet pro
speaking of that is your name really "Bozo"?
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More prefured Reading, I've said Stock Units have there place, as do Aftermarket, all depends where you like your car to be at the end the day, 'peroid'
not that there junk,not they don't work at all,I've seen some work,I took one 160mph stock with pitbull ATR chip, but i see none on cars in the range Speed Range i'm shooting for...
simple Aftermarket ECM has more benifits in the long run ,
Yep. That's exactly what you said....
GN experts that have hit "the wall",80's ECM aren't made for 600+ hp modern builds,you can try to get it to work,but best to get the right parts in first place, An aftermarket ECM
If your using the stock ECM, Loose it for an Aftermarket Unit,(yea there costly but so's motor rebuilds) your right over 100mph whoa's will Vanish, It's not the tranny,I hit this wall couple years ago,
Enjoy!
No, wait......
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buddy of mine just grenaded a very expensive build running a xfi, and on cals tune.
I'm not saying its cals fault.
I tried to talk him into getting on this forum and start asking away before going wot
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Looking from far i can't tell who is the ______ and who isn't. :rofl: :rock: :068:
Lots of great guys here that really know their shit. But communication is sometimes difficult then they jump to ASSumptions and you end up with ???s.
What was this thread about?????
Back to my vacation see ya by.
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Wait - is this Norbs?
best post in this thread
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I just wasted a good 30 minutes reading this thread.... I should have stopped reading after the 2nd page. :(
Chuck
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I just wasted a good 30 minutes reading this thread.... I should have stopped reading after the 2nd page. :(
Chuck
U R right, Chuck. As soon as I saw the OP's screen name, I knew this would turn into a pissin, moanin contest... :rolleyes;
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Norbs! LOL!
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OMG where the hell do I start ??? Hmmm... just the simple things..
#1 Warranty on a RACE motor...
ya right... :rock:
#2 The "woulda, coulda, shoulda's" Hey thats MY line !!! Lots of cars out there should run 10s or 9s easily. (well according to their owners :rofl: ) . BUT the bottom line is what has YOUR car run at the track ??? NOT WHAT IT'S CAPABLE OF BUT WHAT IT HAS RUN!! BUTT dyno's don't count either.
#3 ... I don't think your even up to a "Internet Modle" :chin:
ahhhhh the net :player:
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Grumpy,... less time bitching, more time telling Melisa to park the car.
they hit brick walls at 100 with the stock ECM
FACT!!
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Grumpy,... less time bitching, more time telling Melisa to park the car.
FACT!!
well we had kind of a bad summer as far as cars. Son's winter beater (93 Continental) died in June. We were getting a new car but didn't know when so in a dumb move I gave him our Lincoln town car.. A week later I blew the 700R4 in the Buick wagon. Tried a few things with the trans but it just wouldn't take beatings so I decided to do a POS 200R4. We all know they suck to :icon_evil: . So now we don't have a car to use as a DD... I had Melissa's GN for 7/8 weeks !!! Car didn't miss a beat an it was driven EVERYWHERE. Even made it up to the top of Mt Washington in NH !! Should have seen the looks we got. Put well over 7000 miles on it !! Oh the POS motor that she ran 9s with is just sitting on an engine stand waiting for a new home :rofl:
Little common sence goes a long way with these cars. NOT everyone needs all the "Kool guy parts" to run pretty good :rock:
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The idiots do, but then they still don't....go figure
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well new guys coming in think for a grand your running 10's :rofl:
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screw you guys.
I'm goin to bed
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GAH!! MY EYES!!!
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How did I miss this thread?!
And who's been following me up the stairs after my workout?!
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The workboots are the cherry on top.
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He's already having issues, even after having Razor and Cal look at it.
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He's already having issues, even after having Razor and Cal look at it.
Wellll guess he has a LOT of patience !!! I'd set a match to it !!! hmmmm wait a min.. Put the gas can down. I'd piece it out (my favorite passtime) an go get a NEW car. All the makes have their own choice of "poison" :player:
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Probably just too many MPH's for F.A.S.T. and needs to upgrade to MoTeC.
A simple slip-n-fall lawsuit should do it.
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Here's all the info,dyno,track pass video,scanlog files. Just from the first build,the three other's had the same out come. Three strikes He's out, Next...Hello Cal... Now i have a cars that expected...mea ning it does what i paid for the pieces to do....If you got this Old stock ECU combonation to work a full 1/4 mile, Easy 10's an Number Matching....(Since i pulled 11.4 1/4 with terriable 60', an 7.20 1/8...(Basicail only 1/2 pass,where i strolled on the Supra that had to do 133mph to catch my 1/2 track blown headgasket..) Info link below...Enjoy.
http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/threads/10-50-87gn-numbers-matching-mayhem.386951/ (http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/threads/10-50-87gn-numbers-matching-mayhem.386951/)
This is the New Ticket...
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gotta give it to you, hellobozo,
you keep on a truckin! :icon_kidra:
I'm not very good at following the flow sometimes.
are you saying that you are now happy with your results with the fast xfi 2.0 and cals tune?
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gotta give it to you, hellobozo,
you keep on a truckin! :icon_kidra:
I'm not very good at following the flow sometimes.
are you saying that you are now happy with your results with the fast xfi 2.0 and cals tune?
Yes, for my combonation, Aftermarket ECU with pro Tune runs better -vs- Stock ECU/Translator Plus/Extender custom made chip/an a supposed Pro Tune of it all worth only 1/8 mile WOT time.
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Yes, for my combonation, Aftermarket ECU with pro Tune runs better -vs- Stock ECU/Translator Plus/Extender custom made chip/an a supposed Pro Tune of it all worth only 1/8 mile WOT time.
Seriously (Not taking a jab like every body else) how do you explain the ALL them eleven second and faster cars on stock ECMs????????
My car is a BS car but still goes 114 in the 1/4 and friend of mines goes 10.80s in the 1/4 also with a stock ECM and chip. And his car/build is over 6 years old and doesn't miss a beat.
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Yes, for my combonation, Aftermarket ECU with pro Tune runs better -vs- Stock ECU/Translator Plus/Extender custom made chip/an a supposed Pro Tune of it all worth only 1/8 mile WOT time.
Seriously (Not taking a jab like every body else) how do you explain the ALL them eleven second and faster cars on stock ECMs? ??? ??? ?
My car is a BS car but still goes 114 in the 1/4 and friend of mines goes 10.80s in the 1/4 also with a stock ECM and chip. And his car/build is over 6 years old and doesn't miss a beat.
Your exactly right!!! It's when you attempt the low 10.s high 9.0's it becomes a factor, Most all the stock ECM cars you read about are running exactly where you stated. (Very,Very few under 10.50,Fewer in the 9.9's,Never Heard of one in the 8.90's...)
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2011 Midwest Buick Challenge TSM finals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kOh3LHSkXg#)
Walt has been 9.30's on a stock ecm and normally runs 9.50s in TSM on a stock ecm. He has not sued anyone.
There are way more cars running in the tens on stock ecms than there are running any aftermarket fuel management system.
Most would agree that it is easier to run a RACE car in the Nines on an aftermarket system because of the flexibility of tuning as well as the speed of the computer.
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:popcorn:
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2011 Midwest Buick Challenge TSM finals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kOh3LHSkXg#)
Walt has been 9.30's on a stock ecm and normally runs 9.50s in TSM on a stock ecm. He has not sued anyone.
There are way more cars running in the tens on stock ecms than there are running any aftermarket fuel management system.
Most would agree that it is easier to run a RACE car in the Nines on an aftermarket system because of the flexibility of tuning as well as the speed of the computer.
Who's tuning them??? Those are pro classes too,Most the people that like to drive there GN's instead of tow them around ain't that profisant to tune beyond the chips tune. Did the racer Give the tuner person the entier car with free rain to add the best combontion a $8000 budget at that time could have? Then allow the same person on my dime to totaly rebuilt/re-tune 2 more 1/2 track gernades to solve the first problems? no, They built there car an had an had the motor built an it tuned professonily just like everyone else.I went to one shop for everything an got took. Ain't nobody sueing anyone when there muiltipul people involed in the build,it's scape goat city then. I'm now running into stock Ign. modual issues. Stock's great for Stock car..
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Walt tunes his. Most us tune our own...it is not exactly rocket science tho it does take some common sense....
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Walt tunes his. Most us tune our own...it is not exactly rocket science tho it does take some common sense....
Not science but there's a lot of trial an Errors if done totally alone vs rat packing.(Them people above been at this a Loooooong time like yourself), No cars the same,I took my car to Best Local shop for Perf. GN's with all his years of experience an own car . That was very costly..that only gave me 1/2 a car. GN's aren't rocket science,true, but there levels of Performance each has a different learning curve. (my combo out performed KDK's curve ) I've read-up ,talked on the phone,an still learning the New curves. Am i going to be the next Duttwheiler. Nope, nor do i wish to be.
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Walt tunes his. Most us tune our own...it is not exactly rocket science tho it does take some common sense....
Ya we are one of the "special" ones to. :rock:
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Welp, before the New (but not new) dudes Banned by Six for discrimination/Jealousy an what ever else non-thread related you could add.... One last explanation on my Build issue while back... Since i got time to kill (my Ign. module's still in shipping) an before things go somewhere they needn't (well while i was typing this, it went there...) (buntch of JAFO's get FUBAR'ed) People have by there own desire/hardheadedness/follow there leader, have blown my posts all out of proportion... After 3 failed cam builds before due to Oil company's change in oiling/more spring pressures. in 90' ,i stored the car. I was then Rooked by Bowling Green Customs Atl,GA,2000-2004 (he kept it 4 years), I just had brang my 87GN out of storage from 10 years.90'-00' I had a fully machined,billet main,larger valve stock head. only forge trw pistons with flat tappet SP66 i want to say, motor machined by Boyde Coutenton,a highly credited NASCAR v8/v6 builder, $4200 number matching motor... BGC got me for $14,000 to assemble/install/add chip/50lbs/te-48/at 15 psi no alky...with 2 days of only street driving,,Whiped Cam ... As before when i stored the car...(found out after the fact John was using my an other's money fraudulently) I got on the phone/websites looking for Local Buick GN pro to rebuilt the motor,but go Rollor Cam.. I told Kevin at KDK what happened before,I told KDK to put Accels DFI on car... I quote Kevin ' You don't need that, With a translator an custom chip you can use the stock ECU " (Sounds Board Chat formilair don't it) So....with him being the """in mix/boards/the nationals going person"""" ,(but i wanting to loose the chips route because i wanted a upgraded Ign system,with lap top tuning i could learn later, ATR's,Eastern Perf,Conley's,then BGC's chips got old tech in my mind ).. I went "his" way,my dime, $8000..There goes the number matching motor... Other then i picked the wrong person again like BGC, because with a custom made extender chip from Eric """for my combination"""",then tuned in more by KDK,It made 533rwhp on the dyno,But lost 3/4's its power just into 3rd gear, with my 3:50 9 inch 28x10 et streets,100MPH roughly..... Cottens Perf. was having the "" Exact "" same issue on a white car they had. """ AT THAT TIME """" So much so, the tranny out of that car got shipped to FL from Cottens shop an put in My Car.""" Same issue,""". So...Now that's two Pref. shops, sameish build,Same Issue's,Same type problem,Cars Miles Apart...(Yet you all comment, Do it yourself-it was wrong,If they above couldn't tune my car,i surly couldn't,It don't mean i should sale the car..that's just an asinine statement , i don't give-up on projects, i see them through....) 3 different trys of ASC Certified Mechanic 20 years at Pontiac with his own GN an web connections,Shop/Dyno...an Eric burning all the different chips...$30,000 in all, I came to the conclusion like i did with the whiped cam's....Loose the stockish part ECM,Generic chips,Loyal stock ECU swear buy shop user an go to an XFI unit like i wanted in the first place....(this where my hardhedness comes in, If the car been done My way from the start i could of never had the problem,I'll never know,but i listened to a ****Up to Date GN pro at that time****,in 2005,because i was coming fresh out of the gate again on GN info after now 14 years .aka i'm re-born...) I have talked to 7 sec. Pros,(Which i prefer to leave nameless ,they do not need grief or BS. they been there before ),Read many many posts (Top end Spike,stock ECM,high RPM Knock) ,an I more then likely experienced "AT THAT TIME 2005ish" the same thing....No adding of anything from them could solve this.. With the XFI Unit in, Problem Solved....the Car now Pulls harder an harder way above 100mph. no drop in acceleration what so ever,No high rpm/mph knock .I heard BS3 fixed Cottens car... Now as for me doing all this work myself, I'm only a light mech. an don't have space/lifts/Dyno/special tools to perform those jobs. I'm retired mobile auto detailer of 20 years aka Master Wax on Wax off (The people I've delt with, You Have no Idea... ) My money was hard worked for an it being thrown away like it has is BS... KDK was the last straw on that for how it transpired. 3 years wasted... After that was the "TRZ" a-arms BS. I drive the car to""" there shop """,they said, "No problem,are bars will bolt right on".... After adding them at a muscle car place i found on-line 5 miles from me...The TRZ A-Arms Hit the Downpipe with there Arc's... That an the shop put " Dragrace Only ' aerospace brakes on my car after i expressly gave them the print out of Prostreet's with parking brake kit....$4400 the cars now un-driviable an i have it towed out. (I about came over both the guy's desk an made it Personal, But i reframed,if i ever snap, there #1 on the list) The car then got flatbedded to ProFab in Tampa to fix everything an add BMR ( which was next door ) a-arms front to back...I fully gave up 1/4 mileing now.....an went all Handling...It's one way or the other if you want the most out of your GN. The band-aided fix, from Lamotta's , the on there dyno Fresh build Piston pin fail , Fails , an the sleeve cracks...it was $13,000 bill from them to fix KDK's mess. But ,wound up in there mess instead,only got 2000 miles use...(Cal had issues with them later too) Now, 2012 , i took the motor to buddie mine (which happens to be the Fastest man at the street nationals, 3 years running now,not in GN though,works at machine shop) Got brand new 109 an put my internals in it...car went into paint for the first time ever Dec.11'.... Now I'm just working out some restore an 80's regal bugs,an i should be on the road.... No Machine issues,No Tune Issues,No Suspension issues,New paint body bushings....10 years time frame building,you can do the math on the cost...LOL In the End ,if you got the time/space/materials/education/trailer/tow vehicle , hell yea,do it all at your house...the cost savings only in labor though,.....add your shop/storage unit cost (if went that route),tools,parts,fluid recycling ,time out your life-non-Buick related don't come cheap. Not everyone has that "luxury" an has to outsource. Outsourcing can pay off or wreck you all depending on the place you find an there experience in Buick GN's...most shops won't even touch a GN because there to difficult..... So, the Elephant in the room is....... What's the **Maximum HP** achievable on stock/mod. factory GM ECU ??? What's the limit,Everything has a limit in design strength/electronics programing/an the infant mortality rate. (or is this one those CIA questions...ak a you'll just have to find out on your own an die trying ...Read the entire above over slower again then ,I have died) I'm trying to Save Buick GN owners from my down falls, Experience/Too New Tech/Shop Exp. Fails/Crooks The More GN's on the road's my desire, Not ripping in to Current Owners..Especi ally original owners that have more knowledge on full ,any time of day,night or weather ,drivable Street Cars.... It's a whole lot harder building a autocross car then it is a Towed 1/4 mile car...That's why most go the drag racing route. Each have there place in my world as long as there Buick powered... Banned for the my experiences in Buick GN on Buick Board, Reminds me of a Aol romance singles room i got banned from for sexualy explicit chat.......... ...lol.... the Net for you...get all types...
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Nobody has an Elephant answer??.....Nobody ??? just immature comments...(that says volumes),live an learn, but not in this boards case, Explains all the posts dieing off after 2010.
You all Enjoy...
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Who can even read that blather?
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What is an elephant answer?
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I have to admit, that last statement got me laughing. Lol. Banned from a romance singles room!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Love the name change.
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Lol. Banned from a romance singles room!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Maybe aggressive narcissism?
AJ___
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oh crap I remember a person like this from school the more attention they got the more they liked it: indifferent it did not matter.
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Yes, I wasted 20 minutes reading this, and I know that I am dumber for it, but I definitely feel smarter by comparison. Please keep the half-page elephant answers :rofl: coming.
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Soooooo... After all this shit slingin how is the car running at the TRACK NOW ??? :player:
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I think it's too fast for F.A.S.T. and needs a Motec now. FACT! :D
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I think it's too fast for F.A.S.T. and needs a Motec now. FACT! :D
PLEASE !!!! :rofl: Where is "Obozo" hiding ?? :player:
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Mark said he could not take anymore and deactivated his account
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aww man!
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aww man!
There goes our entertainment, right Chris?? :cheers:
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Well maybe he will learn to let the car do the talkin !!! Forget the woulda, coulda, shoulda's !!! :rock:
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Been very busy up until the last 3 weeks but I'm glad I decided to come for a visit. :rock: This reminds me o Iliv4gns and the GNX "replica" that did 0 to 60 in 2 seconds. :rofl: It turned out that he was a peg leg and was watching the speedo show the speed while 1 tire was spinning. :rolleyes; bozo has always been a pain on most boards he's been on just like good old red regal T is. Hopefully he will gain some in site on how to behave but I doubt it. :icon_fU:
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charlie, have you got your car going yet?
if you ever get that hot air going and post a pic to prove it, I'm gonna throw a party for you!! lol!!!
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charlie, have you got your car going yet?
if you ever get that hot air going and post a pic to prove it, I'm gonna throw a party for you!! lol!!!
We might be too old to party by the time (IF EVER) he finishes that car.
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charlie, have you got your car going yet?
if you ever get that hot air going and post a pic to prove it, I'm gonna throw a party for you!! lol!!!
I'm sorry to say that I've got Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and haven't been able to do a whole lot lately. :013: For the last 4 weeks now all I've basically been able to so is sleep up to 20 hours a day and feel like crap. My joints (not talking about pot here) hurt and have the runs as well as shakes so it's unusual for me to be able to hold on to a glass so I can drink something. This post took close to 20 minutes because I had to re-type it several times with the shaking and muscle issues. :O God willing I'll be able to make it to the power tour to meet Kris but at moment it ain't happening. :(
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I'm sorry to say that I've got Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and haven't been able to do a whole lot lately. :013: For the last 4 weeks now all I've basically been able to so is sleep up to 20 hours a day and feel like crap. My joints (not talking about pot here) hurt and have the runs as well as shakes so it's unusual for me to be able to hold on to a glass so I can drink something. This post took close to 20 minutes because I had to re-type it several times with the shaking and muscle issues. :O God willing I'll be able to make it to the power tour to meet Kris but at moment it ain't happening. :(
Sorry to hear Dude, hope you feel better soon.
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Hang in there Charlie!
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Wow get well soon Charlie.
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I hope this goes away fast! I know you are not enjoying forced retirement at all!
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I hope this goes away fast! I know you are not enjoying forced retirement at all!
You've got no idea Steve. :013: If God is willing to let me continue with my research on the HA CT cars and make it into the 10's and still keep some of my heath I'll be satisfied for now. :rock:
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Get well soon Charlie. If Tastykakes didn't cost so damn much to ship I send ya some!
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Since hostess went under we started getting them down here. :rock: Those things fly off the shelf so finding them is a bit of a pain but at least I don't have to try and get them shipped now. :D