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Title: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: DCEPTCN on February 10 2005, 01:41:05 PM
How much of a gain have you folks seen with this? The reason I ask is I'm doing a lot of stuff to the car in the next 2 months and want to knock out a bunch in one fell swoop. I've looked at the one Poston sells and it seems like a good unit, but I'm not sure if it's worth 200 and some-odd bones to me. Maybe I'll go DIY. I've decided that a front mount is likely never going to happen, so I need to pursue this.....any stories/info would be appreciated. TIA.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: SuperSix on February 10 2005, 01:47:04 PM
I have an old Kenne Belle unit that I've heard is somewhat restictive.

I like this one: http://www.buickgn.com/bigmouth.htm

I've heard great things about it, and for what you get - it seems to be a reasonable price.

And anything you can do to reduce inlet temps is a good thing. The only thing I miss is it somewhat mutes the turbo whistle.  :cool;
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: DCEPTCN on February 10 2005, 02:06:44 PM
Well, my bigger turbo should somewhat combat the muting problem. I'm shocked- those are a lot cheaper than I expected.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: SuperSix on February 10 2005, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: "DCEPTCN @ Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:06 pm"
Well, my bigger turbo should somewhat combat the muting problem. I'm shocked- those are a lot cheaper than I expected.


If it makes you feel better, send me $20.00 for linking it for you.   :D
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: gordyzx9r on February 10 2005, 06:21:19 PM
I've heard the gains are not commensurate with the costs.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: DCEPTCN on February 10 2005, 06:24:15 PM
Quote from: "gordyzx9r @ Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:21 pm"
I've heard the gains are not commensurate with the costs.
See, that's my suspicion- but Poston prefesses that their's is worth .35 in the quarter....?
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: Be4u on February 10 2005, 07:54:07 PM
Quote from: "SuperSix @ Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:47 pm"

And anything you can do to reduce inlet temps is a good thing. The only thing I miss is it somewhat mutes the turbo whistle.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: Recklessrob on February 11 2005, 12:04:30 AM
I'd have to agree, Mark H's kit is probably the best bang for the
buck as far as cold air kits go. I'm still using the stock flexible duct
with a homemade bracket to support the MAF with a K&N on it.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: SuperSix on February 11 2005, 12:54:51 AM
Although I have no hard numbers - Anything that can reduce the intake charge temps is a good thing, = more booooost.

And it looks trick!
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: gordyzx9r on February 11 2005, 08:53:22 AM
Quote from: "SuperSix @ Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:54 am"

I also have something I haven't seen much of lately, and ATR charcoal canister relocation kit. It relocates the charcoal cansiter to under the the plastic fender well, gets ot out of the way in the engine compartment. I just checked ATR's web site and didn't see it?
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: SuperSix on February 11 2005, 10:21:43 AM
Lemme take a pic

Ok..

Clean "air intake area"
http://www.ihadav8.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=48

Charcoal Canister relocated
http://www.ihadav8.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=49

Charcoal Canister and vacuum canistet attached to ATR bracket
http://www.ihadav8.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=50

Clear as mud?   :cool;
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: SuperSix on February 12 2005, 10:31:11 AM
And as I went to go get a cold beer last night - I thought of a better way to illustrate the "gains" that can be had..

Norice how when it's ~50 degrees how your TR will scream? It's all in the air intake temperature..

It was ~49 degrees when I went out last night, and the TR was mooooving..

Except for the goddamn slipping tranny.  :smt013
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: Recklessrob on February 12 2005, 10:56:19 AM
I entirely agree with that. I had a low speed cooling
fan problem that was causing my car to run at approximately
206 deg. If my initial IAT temps were about 130 degrees, the car was
a slug. If the lanes moved fast my IAT would go to about 80,
and the car would fly. That was with hot coolant temps. With
the coolant te,ps down to about 170 the car was faster,but
not as much difference as having the lower IAT temps.
Title: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: 87natty on February 12 2005, 05:15:10 PM
Hey Sylvan, I blew my money on a Big Mouth inatke and all I can say is I could have made one a hell of a lot cheaper. It looks like plumbing hose to me. If anyone can say otherwise, please do, because I'm not sure. This is how you make it, from turbo to filter.

Get a 2.5" slightly angled piece of hose, then go down to a Midas or something and get a piece of 2.5" tubing, about 18" long or so. Then get another piece of 2.5" hose, and clamp it to your MAF. Then, from the MAF get a 2.5" to 4" hose, and drill out the ATS sensor hole. From there, the only tricky part is the big ass 4" bent pipe, which you could have made at a diesel truck shop, and then it goes into a 4" 90 degree hose elbow through the headlight hole to the K&N. I'll send you pictures, it's easy as hell and it does wake up the car.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: DCEPTCN on February 13 2005, 02:40:37 PM
Brian, I'd love to see those pics.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: gordyzx9r on February 14 2005, 08:55:23 AM
I just got an e-mail from ATR and they still have the Charcoal Canister Relocation kits for $49.95.  Their online catalog is not a good representation of what they actually have for the Turbo Regals.
Title: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: 87natty on February 14 2005, 02:39:36 PM
Yup, online doesn't do them much justice, get a print catalog.
Title: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: SuperSix on February 14 2005, 06:09:47 PM
Quote from: "87natty @ Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:39 pm"
Yup, online doesn't do them much justice, get a print catalog.


Damn shame, ain't it? In this day and age, to have to wait for a print catalog is a joke. And the software they use for their website is soooo easy to use..

$49.95?!?!   :wtf:

I would post an ad in the For Sale/Trade areas on all the boards seeing if anyone has one used they want to get rid of. I got mine used many moons ago..
Title: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: Be4u on February 14 2005, 08:24:03 PM
Quote from: "SuperSix @ Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:09 pm"
Damn shame, ain't it? In this day and age, to have to wait for a print catalog is a joke. And the software they use for their website is soooo easy to use..

For real, It bugs me when I go to a website to buy something and I cant even see a pic. :jerkit;
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: SuperSix on February 14 2005, 09:31:05 PM
This is how hard it is to add:

http://ihadav8.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=34

We will be using the same software they are using.

(Shhh!! this is a secret!) (Beta site)
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: gordyzx9r on February 14 2005, 09:42:08 PM
Someone's been busy, looks nice.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: Be4u on February 14 2005, 10:26:38 PM
Quote from: "gordyzx9r @ Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:42 pm"
Someone's been busy, looks nice.

Send ATR a resume or however your spell that shiat.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: on April 18 2005, 01:04:57 PM
Hey I can attest to how much of a difference the cold air kit makes. I just put one on my car for <$20 spent at Lowe's

at least 2 feet of 3" pvc pipe
45* elbow
90* elbow
5 rubber hose connectors

Looks great once painted black!
Well worth the money I spent.(and more)
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: DCEPTCN on April 18 2005, 03:00:59 PM
Quote from: "savage6 @ Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:04 am"
Hey I can attest to how much of a difference the cold air kit makes. I just put one on my car for <$20 spent at Lowe's

at least 2 feet of 3" pvc pipe
45* elbow
90* elbow
5 rubber hose connectors

Looks great once painted black!
Well worth the money I spent.(and more)
Pictures?
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: Be4u on May 06 2005, 01:51:02 PM
Quote from: "savage6 @ Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:04 am"
Hey I can attest to how much of a difference the cold air kit makes. I just put one on my car for <$20 spent at Lowe's

at least 2 feet of 3" pvc pipe
45* elbow
90* elbow
5 rubber hose connectors

Looks great once painted black!
Well worth the money I spent.(and more)


Pictures?
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: DCEPTCN on May 06 2005, 02:21:09 PM
Last weekend I did the DIY cold air kit myself. Cost me about $50 total. Autozone sells a polished aluminum 3" pipe that's at a slight angle (and has a hole for the MAT sensor), so it goes directly from my MAF to the space behind the headlights. From there, I got some plastic bendable 3" pipe which goes to the K&N down behind the front spoiler. I plan to replace the plastic pipe with something aluminum when I find the right piece, but this definately does the trick untill then. Looks semi-good under the hood, too. Since the plastic pipe is flexible, I bolted a little makeshift brace to keep the filter from hanging down too far.
Title: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: 87natty on May 06 2005, 04:03:45 PM
Good job, I was going to take pictures of my setup this weekend, but it looks like you got it.
Title: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: DCEPTCN on May 06 2005, 04:10:42 PM
Quote from: "87natty @ Fri May 06, 2005 1:03 pm"
Good job, I was going to take pictures of my setup this weekend, but it looks like you got it.
Maybe I'll take a few pictures just for the hell of it- might help somebody out a little someday.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: Be4u on May 06 2005, 06:50:06 PM
practice what you preach![schild=random fontcolor=000000 shadowcolor=C0C0C0 shieldshadow=1]Lazy Bum!!![/schild]
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: DCEPTCN on May 06 2005, 06:53:33 PM
Quote from: "Be4u @ Fri May 06, 2005 3:50 pm"
practice what you preach![schild=random fontcolor=000000 shadowcolor=C0C0C0 shieldshadow=1]Lazy Bum!!![/schild]
I'm on it, I'm on it.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: Be4u on May 06 2005, 08:14:55 PM
You better be, I know what your avatar looks like!  :smt071
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: DCEPTCN on May 07 2005, 03:34:30 PM
What, you don't like Down's badass Jesus?
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: Be4u on May 07 2005, 09:07:43 PM
Jesus?!?!?! I thought that was you. :chin:
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: gordyzx9r on May 08 2005, 07:46:40 AM
I just noticed that ATR charged me for the charcoal canister relocator...I wonder if it arrived...need to call back to the states and see if it's in the room-o-parts or not.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: SuperSix on May 08 2005, 12:08:34 PM
Quote from: "gordyzx9r @ Sun May 08, 2005 6:46 am"
I just noticed that ATR charged me for the charcoal canister relocator...I wonder if it arrived...need to call back to the states and see if it's in the room-o-parts or not.


GOod idea sine they are filing banckruptcy!  :bigeyes;
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: Be4u on May 08 2005, 04:17:07 PM
Quote from: "gordyzx9r @ Sun May 08, 2005 5:46 am"
the room-o-parts

Your going to have a frickin' field day when you get home! Whats the first thing your gonna work on?
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: DCEPTCN on May 09 2005, 05:03:36 PM
Okay, here are a couple of pics of what I did the other day. A new K&N is on it's way, so that pos in the pic is only for illustrative purposes. Also, I had to brace it until I get a metal pipe to hold it instead of the flexible plastic that is the second half of the setup. I was hoping that the pics would give away any evidence that I was doing this while getting drunk at my brother in law's trailer out in the middle of nowhere.....bu t oh well. P.S. I've got all new front spoilers on the way as well as an aluminum IC scoop, so ignore the junk that's on there now.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: DCEPTCN on May 09 2005, 05:05:56 PM
Last ones......
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: Be4u on May 09 2005, 07:43:32 PM
Holy CRAP! That looks nice! Good job!
Title: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: 87natty on May 09 2005, 08:58:55 PM
Is that a Honda intake? I'm serious, it looks like a B16 tube, if it is, that's a perfect fit and it beats the hell out of paying $150 for something else.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: Recklessrob on May 09 2005, 10:17:36 PM
Kick ass ! Homemade stuff rocks !  :supz:
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: SuperSix on May 09 2005, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: "Recklessrob @ Mon May 09, 2005 9:17 pm"
Kick ass ! Homemade stuff rocks !
Title: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: DCEPTCN on May 10 2005, 02:00:07 PM
Quote from: "87natty @ Mon May 09, 2005 5:58 pm"
Is that a Honda intake? I'm serious, it looks like a B16 tube, if it is, that's a perfect fit and it beats the hell out of paying $150 for something else.
It's just a universal pipe that AutoZone sells for $29. Last night I put on the new front spoilers and Poston's aluminum intercooler scoop (which is a nice piece!), so we should be getting some real good air to the engine.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: FlyinGN on May 17 2005, 03:17:59 PM
I made mine too. Out of stainless steel pipe and silicone hose as connectors:) Keeps my iat a LOT lower then when I had an underhood open K&N too.
Frank
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: johndeeregn on May 17 2005, 04:15:57 PM
Grumpy makes a kick ass kit,,,cost me $120.00 smacks for the filter and all shipped to my front door. :supz:
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: Top Speed on June 07 2005, 03:46:34 PM
Quote from: "Recklessrob @ Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:56 am"
I entirely agree with that. I had a low speed cooling
fan problem that was causing my car to run at approximately
206 deg. If my initial IAT temps were about 130 degrees, the car was
a slug. If the lanes moved fast my IAT would go to about 80,
and the car would fly. That was with hot coolant temps. With
the coolant te,ps down to about 170 the car was faster,but
not as much difference as having the lower IAT temps.


I also think that lower inlet air temps are more important than hot coolant temp.  I have the Big Mouth kit and like it alot.  :cool;
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: Recklessrob on June 08 2005, 12:43:41 PM
I just have a big mouth !...and welcome to the board! :atbeer:
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: DCEPTCN on June 08 2005, 01:50:50 PM
Indeedy, welcome!
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: SuperSix on June 08 2005, 01:59:11 PM
Quote from: "DCEPTCN @ Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:50 pm"
Indeedy, welcome!


Welcome to the island of misfit Buick owners.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: DCEPTCN on June 08 2005, 02:04:25 PM
Quote from: "SuperSix @ Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:59 am"
Quote from: "DCEPTCN @ Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:50 pm"
Indeedy, welcome!

]
Wewlcome to the island of misfit Buick owners.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: Top Speed on June 08 2005, 04:45:22 PM
Misfits huh?
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: DCEPTCN on June 08 2005, 04:51:08 PM
Quote from: "Top Speed @ Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:45 pm"
Misfits huh?
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: Jackal on October 31 2005, 01:55:44 AM
I just finished installing a big mouth cold air kit, and solid Maf pipe, New Maf sensor and Paid Big Bucks, (I'm just No Good with Money).

I haven't driven it yet, just ran it to see if the check engine light went out after installing a good MAF sensor, 'Cause it's about time to put her away for the Winter.

But, The only thing I noticed was a Better Exaust Sound, So, It's definitelly is breathing better.

I read somewhere that is is a 10% horspower gain, But, Hey, I don't know.

Good Luck with yours...                                          :psix;
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: Be4u on October 31 2005, 11:38:21 AM
Quote from: "Top Speed @ Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:45 pm"
Misfits huh?
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: DCEPTCN on October 31 2005, 11:49:10 AM
Yeah, I'm cool.
Title: Re: Cold Air Kits?
Post by: 87natty on October 31 2005, 04:24:24 PM
Quote from: "Jackal @ Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:55 pm"
It's definitelly is breathing better.
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