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General Buick Tech / Holley Hydramat
« on: June 09 2017, 06:04:26 PM »
anyone have any experience.

on my GN powered,77 skyhawk, anything below 1/2 tank, and car dies at stop signs, turns, etc.

was thinking of making a baffle for the tank,
 heard of holley hydramat,

sound to good to be true.

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General Buick Tech / Re: confused!
« on: April 07 2017, 10:00:00 AM »
using a .060 shim, under the spring, I'm getting  98 lbs @ 1.73in
 that allows me sufficient  room for  coil bind,  and achieves  a lot better  spring  pressure.
 I'll have to see what  open pressure is, as I just did a quick check on this.

I doubt this car will ever see  a drag strip,  in the 17yrs I've owned it , it has never been there.

thanks for all the  help  you guys have offered, 

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General Buick Tech / Re: confused!
« on: April 06 2017, 09:50:54 PM »
stock spring rate is 80lbs @ 1.72
what would anyone recommend?
 and what about  open, or @ .472 ?

the springs I have are  new/ stock springs.

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General Buick Tech / Re: confused!
« on: April 06 2017, 10:23:32 AM »
using my wife's postal scale (it s all I have)
SS int  valve......3.5 oz
SS exh .............3 .4oz

stock int........... 3.7oz
stock exh.........3. 5oz

new stock in.....3.7

stock retainer ....  .7
aftermarket ret..   .7

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General Buick Tech / Re: confused!
« on: April 06 2017, 10:06:50 AM »
sorry for the double post,
suddenly part of the post  dissapeared?

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General Buick Tech / Re: confused!
« on: April 06 2017, 10:06:05 AM »
 well, right now I'm leaning toward a hyd  flat tappet cam,
the roller rockers  are such a pain in the butt,   (valve cover actually)
so with that in mind.
installed ...1.730
coil bind....1.121
lobe lift......in-.280/ex-.295
rocker ratio...1.55
seal to guide.......76 4 (actually guide to retainer) seal is approx .060 thick)
seat  85lbs@1.730" class="bbc_email">pressure...... 85lbs@1.730
open/ nose  pressure... didn't measure,  advertised is 250lbs@.500

lobe lift is advertised at- int-.280 and exh .295, cam card reads  valve lift int .448, exh .472,
when you do the math.... it is not the same ?  int -.280x1.55=.434,  exh -.295x1.55=.457.

valves are  ferrea stainless steel, standard length, under cut,  1.77 int, and 1.51 exh
not sure of the weight,   but will know in a bit, (I'll weigh them)

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General Buick Tech / Re: confused!
« on: April 06 2017, 10:02:02 AM »
well, right now I'm leaning toward a hyd  flat tappet cam,
the roller rockers  are such a pain in the butt,   (valve cover actually)
so with that in mind.
installed ...1.730
coil bind....1.121
lobe lift......in-.280/ex-.295
rocker ratio...1.55
seal to guide.......76 4 (actually guide to retainer) seal is approx .060 thick)
seat

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General Buick Tech / Re: confused!
« on: April 05 2017, 02:41:46 PM »
cut all the guides down  to .675 tall,  i used a .500  OD cutter , also have a .530 OD cutter (two most common for  seals)
measured   the different  retainers,  installed  on my heads  stock retainers are 1.730
the  steel after market retainers  installed a 1.675.

measured  the  ID, and seal OD,  seat  dia,
coil bind,  seat pressures,  open pressures,
with and with out shims,  and....... travel available between ret and top of guide,

whew,  anyone think of anything else to measure?

next......... push rod  length,

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General Buick Tech / Re: confused!
« on: April 05 2017, 11:08:11 AM »

not  sure on lifter damage, haven't torn em down yet,

Robert... I'm sure your not the only  one kicked back, watching  the stupidity unfold.

I have no idea why I didn't cut  the exh  guides  when I did the intake guides.

there was no rush , or time frame  for me to get this done, so I do not have any excuse for
not  doing it  correctly, I could  say it was old age, making me forgetful,  (I'm 68)
but for some reason , it didn't occur to me to do them both, DUH.
oh well, live an learn,

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General Buick Tech / Re: confused!
« on: April 04 2017, 03:38:59 PM »
OK.......... I'll admit  I F'd up ........

I believe I found the issue.
tore the heads apart  and found smashed seals,  didn't have that issue before adding 1.65 rockers,
and marks on the exh guides (which I did NOT cut down)
puzzling?  well it seems when I was  doing set up, I used  the stock Buick retainers, and everything  looked good,
when I assembled I used new fancy retainers, and...... there almost .100  lower,
so spring pressures were  thru the roof,  or in my case , thru the rockers.
and  add in 1.55,   to 1.65 ratio rockers, and everything  is screwed!


that explains why the  rocker bolts were breaking (beside cheap bolts)
the exh retainers were hitting the top of the guide, snapping off  bolts, rocker shafts,  making
spears out of  pushrods!

so after cleaning up will start over , and CHECK EVERYTHING!!!!!!

thanks for all the suggestions,  it did help, in that I am now  believer  in check twice, or 3 or4  times, and
assemble once!

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General Buick Tech / Re: confused!
« on: April 01 2017, 04:50:12 PM »
took it apart, slowly looking for anything out of place or odd.
 nothing, except broke another rocker are bolt,
so,  took  some new ones I had  and set the torque wrench at 30 lbs and snapped  it off first pull,
 this is 5/15 ,  broke at where threads end and solid bolt starts,

so tried another, this time at 25lbs,  hit 25 , was ok,  tried again, the head snapped off.
checked  US recommended torque  specs,  5/16, grade 8 is only 18 ft lbs

so....obviousl y chinese crap!  I'm guessing they are equivalent to  grade 3 , maybe?

but nothing out of the ordinary  on the valve train,  no wear marks anywhere,  checked cam timing, spot on.,
no valve to piston marks,but valves sure are close together,  again ,no  marks.

lifters look new (they are) pushrods  are spotless, no marks anywhere,
 rockers  show nothing,     
regardless, going back to  hyd flat tappet,  and 80 lbs springs,  (which I'll set up at 90 if possible)
and back to setting pushrod length, again!


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General Buick Tech / Re: confused!
« on: April 01 2017, 12:46:01 PM »
 I thought the lock washer (when compressed)  would spread the clamping  load,
but,  stock bolt do not use any washer at all, but do have a shouldered bolt,

I think I'm going to test  some of the "grade 8" bolts I have,  torque wrench and a vice, see what
values  they  require to snap off.

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General Buick Tech / Re: confused!
« on: April 01 2017, 11:04:08 AM »
on the grade  8 -  5/16  bolts the heads pop off,  i thought maybe I was over tightening them .
 but upon loosening them , was about 35lbs, (I say about ,as I didn't use a torque wrench)

I'm thinking  that may be part of the problem.

I used a lock washer  under the head, ,partly to hold it tight, and partly to spread the load.
 the rocker spacers are made from a grade 5,  3/4 nut,  reamed to size,  the cut in half,  with 5/16 hole
drilled  in it, I matched  it with the T&D factory  spacers. same width,and ID.

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IHADAV8 Playground / Re: Opera Browser
« on: March 31 2017, 01:39:36 PM »
I mentioned the ad blocker  issue to shane, and he told me  to go away/ not visit TB.com if I didn't like it.
so.... I did, haven't been there in 6 months,
was getting so tired  of the "know it alls" and  arrogant  turds on there,

and YES, I have "ad blocker" and will continue to uses it!

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General Buick Tech / Re: confused!
« on: March 31 2017, 10:44:43 AM »
1st, I'm a slow learner, and  usually takes 1 or 2 times  for me to get it.
I have a complete valve  grind/ seat grinding equipment in my garage,  including Rimac valve spring  tester.
I cut these heads for 1.71 intake and 1.51 exh valves, using ferrea stainless "hi flow" valves.
I cut both  valve guides down, (seals on intake only)
I tried  various valve spring  on these heads, started with  125 installed @1.72,  and 310 @1.20, with 313lbs per in spring rate.
then changed to 105@1.72, and 280 @1.20 , and 285lbs per in spring rate

comp cams recommends  105@1.80and 293@1.20, with 313lb per in spring rate.

tried stock rockers (HD/thick shaft)  broke rockers, and a shaft.

I have 7.950 pushrods, 8.00 push rods, and 8.050 push rods, all hardened ,
I tried all of them, no success.
I was using GM shim head gaskets, as I had about 20 sets stashed away, (.032 thick)

I thought I was careful in setup, as I used adj pushrod  to get my preload on the  lifters,

we've been with out power (elect) for the last 15hrs,  had hi winds (60 mph gusts).
so I haven't  been in the garage, to inspect   this pain in my ass.
but time is my friend, as us old /retired  grouchy  old fucks  have nothing else to do.


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