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General Buick Tech / Re: Turbo Tech
« on: July 11 2018, 09:53:46 PM »
So I am writing this Intercooler article, and I am wondering what you guys would like me to touch on in this thing?


So far I have the definitions and explanations of a lot of the common terms associated with intercoolers, but nothing else.


Any input for what you'd like to see is welcome.


Thank you.

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General Buick Tech / Re: Turbo Tech
« on: July 11 2018, 09:50:09 PM »
Curious as to the IC Reed has in his car for the run he made. My bad...lol! Reed pretty much has the same mule I have. You can see where I'm going with this. Doing my homework...


I have to ask him some questions on a turbo I sent in for a rebuild. If I remember, I will ask him for you.

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General Buick Tech / Re: Turbo Tech
« on: July 11 2018, 09:33:09 PM »
Tyler...what brand of exhaust housing on Reeds turbo? Size? Any word on intercooler?


For the 3 bolt exhaust housings it is similar to a PTE housing. I believe Reed and Limit actually get their housings from the same place. Typically .63 and .85 AR.


For the 4 bolt housings there are too many to type...you have open housings, twin scroll housings, etc...


Intercooler... dude..I luv ya man, but I won't have anything for you until my engine is built and in the car... UNLESS someone is willing to be sent the fmic and make the mounts and piping, and I will pay them to do so...


The Treadstone FMIC guy is taking a long, long time...shit better be cheap for the piping...


I'm starting to work on the intercooler article btw...this thing may take some time...

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General Buick Tech / Re: Turbo Tech
« on: July 11 2018, 06:34:56 PM »
I think we should start on exducers and exhaust housings now and how that influences the power band and converter stall speed and efficiency.


The exducer size isn't as critical as it used to be. The converter type, the level of port work on the heads, fuel type used, and camshaft selection play a more critical role on the spool up than the exducer size.


Even with a large exhaust housing, if those 4 parameters are optimized, you can still have a quick spooling turbo.




[/size]Tyler, Reeds car comes in at 3807. Is that with him in it...or out? My car comes in at 3475...with me in it. Every 100 hundred pounds is worth a tenth of a second. I run my car at 23 PSI with the high and low 02's coming in at 800 and the timing at 32/26 with VP 112 with the 60 foot coming in at 1.70 and staging last and the car runs 7 flat all day at 100. You can do the math what that turbo would do in my car at 23 PSI...and 300-400 pounds lighter.



If you had that turbo you'd be seriously screaming down the track... I'd love to see what you run with it!

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General Buick Tech / Re: Turbo Tech
« on: July 11 2018, 06:11:11 PM »
Not a beer snob, but I do like to build things


...that build things. :D



Maybe it is because of my time spent at Humboldt state,,,but that sure does look like a giant bong....

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General Buick Tech / Re: Turbo Tech
« on: July 11 2018, 04:16:10 PM »
Nobody has even mentioned vgt's or twin scroll technology.

Actually, you did!  Twin scrolls are amazing, that is my next turbo.  I just don't want to redo the piping.

You mean like these??
:)

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General Buick Tech / Re: Turbo Tech
« on: July 11 2018, 04:14:47 PM »
I love solutions. Especially when they work.



You might be shocked to know that I am a HUGE beer nerd...

As in, stand outside of breweries all night in line waiting for special beers to be released...

I bought my turbo by selling 5 bottles of rare beer for $1,350... 3 of them were worth $975 alone..

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General Buick Tech / Re: Turbo Tech
« on: July 10 2018, 05:38:26 PM »
Reeds run with the 6765 was 11.17 at 20 PSI. You and I talked on the phone a long time ago about throwing different turbos on a stock stroke 109 with ported irons...as that's what 95 percent of what most are running. Can you provide any other data?

Temp/humidity
60 foot time
Brand of heads...any extra work to them?
E85, race gas, alky or pump gas?
Brand of torque convertor? LU or NL...tho I suspect NL.
Brand of intercooler


P.S. Reeds car seems like a perfect test mule for trying different bolt ons.

Yes, we did.

I will try to get some more info out of him. FWIW they probably went to a track near Pelham, Alabama, so you can use that as an altitude reference.

He ran champion ported irons. E85 fuel. Turbotweak chip. PTC 9.5" non lock up, and I dont know what IC.

I would be all for sponsoring someone who would be willing to test these turbos on their car and provide info. I could give them these turbos for dealer cost with the stipulation that they test them at the track and report back.

Reeds car is a great test bed because his car is like the majority of Buick owner's.

Thanks so much Tyler. Hope the business is doing well!

ANYtime Brad!!!

If I can get more info from Reed, I will post it.

I am hoping this G4 promotion will help get these turbos out into the Buick community and into hands of people that will really see just how incredible of a product these really are!

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General Buick Tech / Re: Turbo Tech
« on: July 10 2018, 05:22:11 PM »
Was my article explaining billet wheel technology not a good enough way to spend my time? Or the 3 hours I have spent on the phone today with customers regarding the G4 turbos?

I mean no offense, Sir, but I am literally writing these responses while laying on my front seat in between changing the spark plugs in my truck...techni cally I have no shirt on so my pasty white ass can get a tan in this 103 degree heat...but all the same, these responses are being written during breaks between cylinders... no more time is being spent on them than is required to type them.

I assure you, if I were one who wastes time on trying to write the perfect response, I would never get shit done because it would be perpetually under revision....lu ckily that is not me.

But to answer you- NO. I take no more time posting responses than it is required for my fingers to type them.

Your thoughts sure seemed to me to take a lot of time. Just seemed like you could better direct em towards a cam selection or setting up the bottom end of that cool guy engine. But it is your time and I'm not one to try to tell others what to do. I tried to insert a smilie to at least look like I'm being sarcastic. Oh well. Maybe you ponder stuff at a different rate than an old guy like me, so it doesn't take you much time. Or the fancy education schooled you to think quicker, I've read that John Kennedy was a speed reader and read several newspapers in the morning while having breakfast.

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General Buick Tech / Re: Turbo Tech
« on: July 10 2018, 05:14:50 PM »
Reeds run with the 6765 was 11.17 at 20 PSI. You and I talked on the phone a long time ago about throwing different turbos on a stock stroke 109 with ported irons...as that's what 95 percent of what most are running. Can you provide any other data?

Temp/humidity
60 foot time
Brand of heads...any extra work to them?
E85, race gas, alky or pump gas?
Brand of torque convertor? LU or NL...tho I suspect NL.
Brand of intercooler


P.S. Reeds car seems like a perfect test mule for trying different bolt ons.

Yes, we did.

I will try to get some more info out of him. FWIW they probably went to a track near Pelham, Alabama, so you can use that as an altitude reference.

He ran champion ported irons. E85 fuel. Turbotweak chip. PTC 9.5" non lock up, and I dont know what IC.

I would be all for sponsoring someone who would be willing to test these turbos on their car and provide info. I could give them these turbos for dealer cost with the stipulation that they test them at the track and report back.

Reeds car is a great test bed because his car is like the majority of Buick owner's.

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General Buick Tech / Re: Turbo Tech
« on: July 10 2018, 05:09:18 PM »
Damn, you have a lot of time. Mostly I just worry about making my house payment and phone bill. I'm looking forward to paying off the house. Then there are the projects, GS, the T, a couple suburbans, daughters car, wife's Malibu. Plus the garden tractor I'm working on, kind of a long term deal I think I bought in 02. Then there is the pool and its maintenance and upkeep. I'm really not sure how people have time for a hobby. I'm really thinking mine is drinking beer as I do that while doing the other stuff.

I really don't have time for other peoples silliness. Though I try to help em when I can.

Who has a lot of time?

And what brought that conclusion on?

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General Buick Tech / Re: Turbo Tech
« on: July 10 2018, 04:36:47 PM »
In life, it's usually better to be concerned with your own ego and let others worry about theirs....

Noticing characteristic s and personality traits is a far cry from dwelling on those very things.

You can watch a car drive by and only while the car is passing you do you even know that car exists. This is vastly different than spending the rest of your day contemplating what was going on in the car that passed you, where they were going, who was driving, how long have they been driving for?! Etc etc...

I studied for four years on this subject at a school that is ranked 29th in the world with 5 Nobel Prize winners as staff...it is fair to say that I pick these things up without trying to. It surprises me how in the past, other people have assumed I must spend hours on end dissecting and analyzing conversations and people. The reality is that I only think of them while I am immediately engaged with them; be it in a PM, post on the forum, text message, or phone call.

After that, I forget them so quickly I couldnt even tell you what we spoke about until their name and something specific in the conversation is brought up again.


Actually that is all a lie. I spend every waking moment catalogging and critiquing your every move so that I can further my agenda of slowly obtaining the ability to read your mind and predict your responses before you even make them.

I KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS.


Wait what were we talking about? I really have to pee.

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General Buick Tech / Re: Turbo Tech
« on: July 10 2018, 06:32:11 AM »
Cliffnotes:Over turbo means to put too large of a turbo on a car.All-in means to run the turbo at the maximum amount of air it can flow.

ON the first point I guess the question is why do you need a 44, 50,51..52.53 54  60 61 2345678 70 72 74 turbo and is a 44 too small and a 74 too big for a 11.00 .3800 lb car? Why is 1 better than the other.if they both do the job at hand.

And on the second point why would you want to do that on a street car. I understand if the rules say for ex 70. that you try to max it out





Oh boy, those questions I could write really long answers for...


Ok so your first question- You don't really need a turbo of any size, it is entirely what people want and THAT is where the problem lies.


People's Ego's and the desire to "have the best" or "showoff" plays a BIG role in the answer to this question. People like to find ways to assert their superiority over others in the social hierarchy of our world. Meaning that people like to find ways to make themselves appear as if they are more important, or even "better" than others. One of these ways, as silly as it sounds, is by using parts that are larger/bigger/newer than other people, even if they may not necessarily gain anything from it, and even if the setup may not be ideal for the performance they are looking for. You can pick these people out pretty easily on the forums- they typically are the people that list every single modification that they have done to the car, and have long signatures that detail all the parts they have put on, as a form of passive-boasting/bragging/social-assertion.


Add to that notion, people are afraid to run their cars at high boost levels, IE- 30psi or more. They fear, and for good reason, that doing so may blow their engines up or cause a catastrophic failure...and for most people that may be true if they do not have their tunes down or do not know what they are doing. Since they will not run the higher boost numbers required to get the max flow out of smaller turbos, they then turn to a larger turbo that will move more air at boost pressures they feel safe with. This is why you see people running 67mm turbos and running low 10s/high 9s, when you could easily run a new 64mm turbo and go mid-9's if you weren't afraid of boost....they want to run the turbo where they feel "safe" but still want that extra amount of airflow, hence putting a larger turbo on their car.


As for what turbo is best for your car? The best turbo is one you are happy with :) If you mean the ideal turbo to maximize your setup? Well then I would need a list of modifications done to your car to help answer that.


A TE44 turbo for a car running 11.00 in a 3,800lb car is probably at it's limit of what it can do. I would consider moving up to a larger turbo by either 1) Having it rebuilt into a larger unit, or 2) Purchasing a new larger unit and selling yours.

Yes, a 74mm turbo is too large if your setup is currently using a TE44...this is my assumption without knowing your complete setup, of course.


And as for why you would want to do that to a street car? Well...you'd have to ask the people that did it. I can't speak for them.

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General Buick Tech / Re: Turbo Tech
« on: July 09 2018, 11:47:51 PM »
When you guys talk about ''over turbo'' and ''all in'' what exactly do you mean? Sounds like a catch phrase to me. Yes I know you don't put a 105mm on a stock blockLet's use a 11.00 3800 lb Regal for ex. What is over turbo and under turbo? and why do you want to be ''all in''.


When we "over turbo" a car, we place the turbocharger above the engine. If the turbo is on top, then it spools faster because physics says that an apple fell on Newton's head, and so turbos spool faster that way. I completely full of shit right now and am being 100% serious, I have an incredibly dry sense of humor, similar to Andy Kaufman, and I can picture you reading my response and being like "wtf is this guy talking about" while you read it. Sorry, I don't mean to be rude, I'm just an asshole with a sense of humor..


Real response- Over turbo'ing a car means that we put a turbo that is far too large for good response and good spool up, on the engine, so it is very laggy. Think of Supra engines that have zero power until like 6,000rpm...those engines are over-turbo'd, in my opinion.


When you run a turbo "All-in" that means you are running the turbo at the maximum amount the wheels can flow before they start to become inefficient. This ties in a bit with a compressor map. A comp map gives you a "map" (not like Magellan's) that plots how much air the compressor wheel can move and at what pressures. As the turbo spins faster and faster, it becomes less and less efficient. The map plots how much air the wheel can move at different speeds, pressures, and airflow volume. As the wheel spins faster and faster, it becomes less and less efficient. There is a sorta "unwritten rule" that you shouldn't run a turbo past 60%-65% efficiency, meaning less than that.


Cliffnotes:
Over turbo means to put too large of a turbo on a car.
All-in means to run the turbo at the maximum amount of air it can flow.

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General Buick Tech / Re: Turbo Tech
« on: July 08 2018, 03:58:46 PM »
It's like 5/8th race doens't even exist.

You know, if it was at least 1/16th it could qualify to live on a reservation and start your own casino

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