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Tech Area => General Buick Tech => Topic started by: Scoobum on July 31 2016, 03:53:00 PM
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This is a Type 2 setup that has been tested on a S2 car...and has run fine under boost. Has anyone dealt with this before...or know anything about it. The coils are readily available. There's a part number on the module. Anyone know what it's off of?
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Note that there is one pin less on the T2. To date we've had no issues with it on the S2 car.
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The pin that's missing appears to be the ECM FUSE. Where's the electrical gurus? :)
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Those set ups used one power feed instead of two. Some attribute the many problems associated with Type II to a power supply problem related to the one feed. Yet those that use the system successfully report no problems.
Because so many of them are scrounged up, who knows if the system was working properly to begin with or if the problems were actually related to the single feed
I am no guru of anything other than BS and I have not stayed in a motel of any type in about 14 years
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I haven't stayed in a Holiday Inn Express...so someone tell me what these modules are off of. :)
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Looks like the type from a 3.8 supercharged the put in the Ultras
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http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/ignition/type2coils.html (http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/ignition/type2coils.html)
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Thanks Steve. Bookmarked it for reference. :)
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its worth a shot
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I'll give it a whirl on my car. Dan agrees with you...he's had varied success with these. We have it laying around... so what the hell...why not. :)
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I would be tempted to "hot wire" the power to the module
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Would an extra ground be helpful as well?
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The 2 brain cells I have left in my head are beating the shit out of each other. :) I wonder if the Caspers V Plus volt booster I have on the car bumps the voltage to the module as well as the pump. If it does...would hotwiring the module then be redundant?
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Caspers says the V Plus volt booster increases the voltage to the fuel pump and ignition system.
Upon further review...hotwi ring runs voltage directly to the module...and the volt booster doesn't. My brain's gonna explode. :)
So what's the verdict?
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The volt booster will light up everything when it comes on, lights,fuel pump, injectors, so i would think the coil and module will get to.
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But it gets there thru the stock wiring which is quite small in gauge. If the weakness of Type lI is the single feed, then using a larger gauge wire straight from the alternator to the module via a hot wire will provide both more current and voltage to the module allowing it to deliver all it can
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If I look through my Buick junk I think I have a Caspers ignition module plug-n-play hot wire kit. Injectors and pump are hotwired...one more item won't hurt. :)
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The coils in that colour are aftermarket, aren't they? I have black originals ones that seem to work fine.
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Aftermarket of some sort.
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Here.
http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/ignition/module.html (http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/ignition/module.html)
There are 2 IGN feeds to the 85-87 type system. One to the coils, one to the module (That's why you can't use a 2 step on an 84-85 type IGN setup even though it looks the same), both are pink/black which is just the switched power source through the system. It's IGN power.
FWIW: They type 2 ignition produces a hotter spark but has a shorter dwell.
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Brad I have a top quality dwell meter by Equis if you need to borrow :)
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I have run the type II setup off and on for years.
Yes, I hot wired the power with a relay off the alternator.
FWIW:
The coils off a 97 (and up) Pontiac Bonneville SSEI are hotter than regular coils.
1991-1993 Chevrolet Lumina - AC Delco Ignition Coil D546 GM # 1106008
3.1L Vin T & W (Flex fuel)
L36 coil uses Delco part # D555
L67 coil uses Delco part # D576
BUICK PARK AVENUE (1999 – 2000)
BUICK PARK AVENUE ULTRA (1996 – 2005)
BUICK REGAL (1999 – 2000)
BUICK REGAL GS (1997 – 2004)
BUICK RIVIERA (1996 – 1999)
CHEVROLET IMPALA SS (2004 – 2005)
CHEVROLET MONTE CARLO SS( 2004 – 2005)
OLDSMOBILE LSS (1996 – 1999)
PONTIAC BONNEVILLE (1999 – 2003)
PONTIAC BONNEVILLE SSE (1996 – 1998)
PONTIAC GRAND PRIX (1999 – 2004)
PONTIAC GRAND PRIX GT (2006 – 2007)
PONTIAC GRAND PRIX GTP (1997 - 2005)
Series II L67 coils, or the red MSD ones
The 97 and newer L67 coils are hotter than the other GM coils, and only slightly 'cooler' than the MSD's. 8224
blue stripe on the bottom
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91.5 PA Ultra w/L67 got Delco. And 92 L27 depended on production date.
92-96 SSEi coils and the 92-current production NA coils are weaker than the 97+ SC coils,
L67 Supercharged
This engine is or was used in the following cars:
1996-2005 Buick Park Avenue Ultra
1997.5-2004 Buick Regal GS
1996-1999 Buick Riviera (optional 1996-97, std. 1998-99)
2004-2005 Chevrolet Impala SS
2004-2005 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS
1996-2004 Holden Commodore (VS, VT, VX, VY)
2001-2004 Holden Monaro
1996-1999 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight LSS (limited)
1996-2003 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi
1997-2003 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP
Cheers
Paul
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Thanks for the info Paul. Testing this stock NA module under race conditons tomorrow.
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Left me confused, Paul. Not hard to do, I know. :)
So, are you suggesting that the MSD 8224 is the hottest of them all and the L67 supercharged coil is almost as hot making those two the top choices? And the L67 is Delco D576?
And, I assume you have had good luck running the Type II? And are you, or have you, run the D576?
Thanks for providing the info!
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Left me confused, Paul. Not hard to do, I know. :)
So, are you suggesting that the MSD 8224 is the hottest of them all and the L67 supercharged coil is almost as hot making those two the top choices? And the L67 is Delco D576?
And, I assume you have had good luck running the Type II? And are you, or have you, run the D576?
Thanks for providing the info!
Thanks for the info Paul. Testing this stock NA module under race conditons tomorrow.
Good luck! :rock:
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Left me confused, Paul. Not hard to do, I know. :)
So, are you suggesting that the MSD 8224 is the hottest of them all and the L67 supercharged coil is almost as hot making those two the top choices? And the L67 is Delco D576?
Sorry for the confusion Steve, and you are not alone there. I confuse myself constantly LOL. It was really debatable whether the MSD's were any better than the L67's. But yes, those were the two top choices. and yes, the L67 is the D576.
And, I assume you have had good luck running the Type II? And are you, or have you, run the D576?
I have a lot in the past, and for some strange reason, ( I don't really remember why) I switched back. I am in the process of switching back now after suffering some bad misfiring. Strange thing is that the Magnavox Module and coil pack checked out fine with Caspers coil pack tester. (Plugs are new, wires are Magnacor. Need to check the resistance on them) I actually made a simple setup that allows me to run Caspers tester on the Type II setup, and you can see a slight difference in the performance between the two ignition types.
FWIW I had actually tried the GM 3800 Fast start setup, (when Bruce P was around. RIP) and yes, it did start super quick, but there was a misprint in one of the wiring diagrams I had got, and that caused some issues. I pulled everything off the car and went back to stock in frustration. I later found the correct wiring diagram, but just didn't want to go through the hassle of putting it all back together again. I will probably try it again now that the bad taste has gone.
Thanks for providing the info!
My pleasure Steve. Just trying to share.