IHADAV8.com - Turbo Buick Tech, and Nonsense
General => IHADAV8 Playground => Topic started by: Gary Wells on July 14 2005, 09:01:10 AM
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OK, wheres everybody at, I gotta go to work.
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Thanks Gary. Although I too love the Shoutbox - some things are a lot easier to follow in a thread format.
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Gary, this is how I see things as of now. T6P will and is becoming the defacto board for the GSCA and whatever the name of the group that is now in charge of the events. I am truly curious about all the Mods, Tech Advisors, and general pricks that are in control over there now. I have the sneaky suspecion that if someone was to do some investigating that they would find that most of the never heard fo before guys in charge over there are big wigs of the GSCA.
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My feelings? I assume it's Travis' message board now, and he can do whatever he wants with it. The recent problems have less to do with the deletion of the SOT forum than the manner in which it was handled. And that Snorman character really needs to learn how to be professional, and act like a mod.
Other than that, I of course wish them luck, but I doubt I'll be frequenting the site. Pnce they started deleting threads - I lost interest.
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Check this out! It's about time someone did this poll. http://www.ronscustomauto.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=8
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Check this out! It's about time someone did this poll. http://www.ronscustomauto.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=8
Goddamn language filter @ work!! :mad: :mad:
Guess that means I should be WORKING!
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Natty I was there last night ...Bruce aka God jr. :lol: was leading in the poll
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well Brucy has slipped in the poll now :o
who is the "silent owner" of T6P
Nick Micale
40% [ 2 ]
Bruce Toelle
40% [ 2 ]
Rich Rezes
0% [ 0 ]
Otto
0% [ 0 ]
Jay Carter
0% [ 0 ]
Jack Cotton
0% [ 0 ]
Ron Joseph
20% [ 1 ]
Zap
0% [ 0 ]
Jesus
0% [ 0 ]
Total Votes : 5
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I am starting to wonder that Bill Anderson's name should have been included in the slot as "Hidden/silent owner" Somebody asked on one of the threads about the designation on the shirts and logos, "World's fastest Buick Grand national" and they acknowledges that it referred to "Bill Anderson, with his acknowledgemen t and permission. So all of you people that bought t-shirts, it would have just been easier to cut out the middle-man, in this case, T6P, and paint the name Bill Anderson on your shirts, and just send the money directly to Bill Anderson. I would not want this construed as me not liking Bill Anderson, I have never met him, but from all that I have heard, he is a great person, and a real asset to the community. I just would have done the shirts with "World's fastest Turbo Buicks & TTA'S" or something similiar to sell to as large as a segment as possible to recoup my money as quick as possible, and have a bigger audience.
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Can someone clear something up for me?
How many bruces are there?
I thought one of them bought TB.com?
One owns a company of some sort?
Or are they all the same person? Where did he come from?? What buick background?
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Bruce Toelle owner of TurboBuick.INC and Performance Transmission Services. Here is his website http://www.ptsnctb.com/
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FWIW & IMHO:
I believe that there might be another "Bruce" on TB.com by the name of Bruce with the insignia "Icontain recycled parts" with about 7K credits to his name but that is an entirely different Bruce than GodJR.
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Theres a Bruce that Posts in the library, I believe HE's the real GOD! Most of the time I cant understand what he's talking about but if anyone spends that much time teaching themselves about TR's than I'm a BIG fan
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Bruce Toelle
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Here is all I know:
I had been in contact with Travis because he had gotten Nelson Febus (GNflyby) to use some of my music in his BG Nats DVD. I was really stoked about that. During our PMs, Travis told me to keep quiet about it, but he was planning on launching his own site....presum ably from scratch.
A few days later, JayC PMs me and asks if I could donate some music for a 'project' he was working on. I, of course, asked what the project was and he told me not to tell anybody, but he was going to be shutting t6p down shortly and wanted some music for a screensaver that he was making just as a sort of 'last hurrah' for t6p.
Being upset at the thought of losing t6p and just wanting to keep the site alive, I PMd Travis and told him of the opportunity and inquired as to whether or not he would consider buying a 'plug and play' site, thereby keeping my beloved t6p alive. He got back to me later that afternoon and told me it was a done deal.
He said he was going to make me a mod over there because he knew I thought it would be fun......but it's not fun to have people angry at the direction of the board and (maybe) thinking that you're part of the renovations... ...so, I removed 'forum advisor' from beneath my username and slowly backed away from the the whole mod thing. (It was really more for show than anything- I didn't actually do any modding)
You'll notice that in regard to this whole SOT issue, I've just stayed the fuck out of that argument. Shit, I don't want to end up on the bad side of my boys here by appearing to take sides on that issue. Truthfully, Travis had asked me what I thought (when he first bought the site) about SOT. I told him I didn't frequent the place so I really wouldn't miss it....He mentioned it scaring off advertisers and I admittedly told him that I understood where he was coming from and all. I did not know that there would be a public vote- the results of which would be ignored and then SOT scrapped. I can't remember who it was that said that he should have shut the site down for a day, made his changes and then opened up shop under new management.... .not slowly change things and piss a boatload of people off every day in the process.
So, *I've* never had any reason to believe that there is a silent partner. Furthermore, I apologize if I did anything wrong, but I thought it was worth it to try to keep t6p breathing albeit under new management rather than have the place just mercilessly shut down......can ya blame me? I didn't know it was gonna go all
haywire.
I sincerely hate all this drama and secretive bullshit on these boards. I come here to hang out with you guys and talk a little shit to pass the day while maybe getting some advice on how to fix whatever's broke on my car that particular day......why does there need to be so much fucking fighting? Damn- I don't care WHO approaches me in Vegas, I'm buying them a goddamned beer.
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Here is all I know:
So, *I've* never had any reason to believe that there is a silent partner. Furthermore, I apologize if I did anything wrong, but I thought it was worth it to try to keep t6p breathing albeit under new management rather than have the place just mercilessly shut down......can ya blame me? I didn't know it was gonna go all
haywire.
FYI, Travis' wife posted that the site was owned by her, travis, and a silent partner. She must have fucked up because travis deleted that post within about 15 minutes. A few of us saw it... You can be goddamn sure that the majority owner is a vendor and that Travis is simply the "face" of the board. I don't even think his apostles know who is really calling the shots either... The board will used to discuss GSCA race classes as Nick Micale is in charge of the nats this year. The goal is to bring in all the heavy hitters in the big classes for discussions. Once all the big guns that spend all the big $$$ are on board this fact will be marketed to turbo vendors and they will support the board and the money will start rolling in... already happening...
I could give a fuck about Toilet6Paper.. . I bailed out of there and deleted what posts I could when that little boy Reaper thought he was king shit... From that point I saw it destined to become the next TB.com...
Travis feels you guys ain't good for business there... Didn't he make the second floor to sweep you guys under the rug???
Not trying to be an ass or anything but things aren't what they are made to seem over there... This place reminds me of the way T6P used to be... Why bother with the other place???...
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... I bailed out of there and deleted what posts I could when that little boy Reaper thought he was king shit... From that point I saw it destined to become the next TB.com...
I apologize, I hadn't seen Travis' wifes' post about the partner.
.....and I don't wanna shit on someone who's not here to defend himself, but Reaper has been an issue with me at times as well.
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well I can sum it up for you Sylvan. Travis's buddy Bruce Toelle has done alot to damage the buick community. I for one tried to work with Travis when he took over T6P. I explain my point of view and I was assured that he was going to do the bidding of the membership. Well I was lied to just like many others. Travis has proved to me that he is going to do the same as his buddy Bruce. If you post a problem you are having with a paying vendor you will be reprimanded. Your threads will disappear. These are the standard tactics of TB.INC and I see them being practiced on T6P now.
Now I have the on going issue with them about having my account removed. I do not wish my log in name and info to be used as a way to show more members than they actually have. Travis is not doing this for the good of the community ....its a business. There are several boards around that are not run as a business and those are growing even faster now that T6P is a nothing more than a new and improved TB.Inc. Neither of those boards give a rats ass about you or me ...its all about the Benjamins.
If you don't believe me about how the boards protect bad vendors ....do a search on the Nazi board (tb.com) for PT-51.
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If you don't believe me about how the boards protect bad vendors ....do a search on the Nazi board (tb.com)
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reason you can't find anything is that it was all deleted
can't have bad press for a vendor ...especially if it is Precision Turbo and Engine
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if you do a search on tbs for pt-51 I am sure you will find alot more posts about what a shitty turbo it was when it first came out
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Hey, c'mon- I've got a PT-51.
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reason you can't find anything is that it was all deleted
can't have bad press for a vendor ...especially if it is Precision Turbo and Engine
And that's the reason PTE only advertises on TB.com and PTE employees only post on TB.com and why I will never buy from them... I'm predicting that they will be advertising on another board soon though...
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http://www.turbobuicks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5046&highlight=PTE-51
Now this is going back to 2002 .... PTE fixed their mess up by 2003 ...but the first group of people to buy them really lost out. Buddy of mine had two blow in the same day ...neither made a full pass at the track before they blew up. PTE excuse ...piece of gasket material hit the exhaust wheel ... that was plain ol BS
Read that Thread
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Theres a Bruce that Posts in the library, I believe HE's the real GOD! Most of the time I cant understand what he's talking about but if anyone spends that much time teaching themselves about TR's than I'm a BIG fan
Interesting thread guys. I'll be watching this one. Anyway.... Robert, the Bruce you're thinking about lives in OH. Bruce Toelle runs PTS Transmissions in CA.
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I sincerely hate all this drama and secretive bullshit on these boards. I come here to hang out with you guys and talk a little shit to pass the day while maybe getting some advice on how to fix whatever's broke on my car that particular day......why does there need to be so much fucking fighting? Damn- I don't care WHO approaches me in Vegas, I'm buying them a goddamned beer.
No one is going to look down on your opinion and you know that damn well. I'll give you props for being optimistic, as I am quite the skeptic about everything just out of spite.
I'll be sure to keep approaching you by the way.
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I'll be sure to keep approaching you by the way.
I wouldn't have it any other way, you fucking lush. :supz:
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Previously posted by "Rastaz":
"FYI, Travis' wife posted that the site was owned by her, travis, and a silent partner."
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I also saw & read that same notation regarding ownership.
I think that it was up for a few hours, but it wasn't up very long as I looked for it later in the night and the next morning. Fckng gonzo.
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Previously posted by "Straycat990":
"Now I have the on going issue with them about having my account removed. I do not wish my log in name and info to be used as a way to show more members than they actually have. Travis is not doing this for the good of the community ....its a business. There are several boards around that are not run as a business and those are growing even faster now that T6P is a nothing more than a new and improved TB.Inc. Neither of those boards give a rats ass about you or me ...its all about the Benjamins."
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Let me know how you come out on getting your account removed so they can't use your name or the slot that your name fills.
I might be very interested in pursuing the same course of action.
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Theres a Bruce that Posts in the library, I believe HE's the real GOD! Most of the time I cant understand what he's talking about but if anyone spends that much time teaching themselves about TR's than I'm a BIG fan
Interesting thread guys. I'll be watching this one. Anyway.... Robert, the Bruce you're thinking about lives in OH. Bruce Toelle runs PTS Transmissions in CA.
The Bruce in the Library is Bruce Plecan from Ohio as you say. Very smart dude with a dry, if not odd, sense of humor. He cracks me up. :D
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Where's that fckng Phil at to do a cute curtsy, drop his hankie coyishly, and say in a high pitched voice:
"Oh, I feel so used."
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I am gone for 2 days and the traffic here has picked up 1000%!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 :supz:
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Just goes to show you what can happen when:
People come to their senses
Pull up their pants &
get the fck out of Dodge (t6p)
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I'm just curious what t6p cost them in the first place? Is it the membership numbers that make these things appear as worthwhile ventures to people? T6P was nice 'cause you didn't see the bickering that went on between tbs and tb, but what's happening now is kind of depressing; and it's not just isolated to T6P and tb. IMO, the comments made on tbs contribute just as much to the drama and keep adding fuel to the fire so to speak.
Kinda stupid, but I looked at tbs and tb as the stereotypical west coast versus east coast affair, and t6p was the happy medium; with this site as the place that people go to drink when all the bars close. And when you actually needed to get help and fix your car you went to gnttype (or pm'd Steve Wood).
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I've been used!
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I've been used!
huh?
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Can someone clear something up for me?
How many bruces are there?
I thought one of them bought TB.com?
One owns a company of some sort?
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LOL, both Bruce's are delusional and crazier than shithouse rats... Endless entertainment reading their posts though... LOL...
PS "Rocket Scientist" Bruce doesn't own Aggressive....
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yeha but he nows how to put fucking traction control on his GN !!!!
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yeha but he nows how to put fucking traction control on his GN !!!!
Who Phil, Who?
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Plecan is wicked smart. He is like a mad scientist! :D He cracks me up!
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I am not here for problems just want to set the record straight as I know and have helped most you on tb.com and know some of you....
Everything posted above by DCEPTCN is true, I was tired of all the politics of tb.com, if you only knew. I was going to do my own deal and then I was contacted, I have always felt that with event's, tent's. giveaways, parties etc I could do better.
I bought the site myself and have poured countless hours and time and money into it at a gain of nothing. I am not a big vendor, just a member like you guys to the core and a street racer at that.
I wanted a site that had good tech and kept some family values at heart. I also like to say fuck, shit,pussy and other words, after all I am human also. However you cannot attract good tech people and continue to say fuck,shit,pussy, most of the good Buick people are getting older and have no time for this more so in a public area.
I felt it was in the best interest not only for the board for my own morals(which I am entitled to) to remove a few key words and get rid of porn for countless reasons which I have already posted.
Again i am human and like looking at girls no different than anyone else, however it was a eye sore for T6P.Com and many members and select vendors.
All these pie in the sky stories are not true at all, anyone that has meet me in person knows I Love to have fun, joke around and talk cars and smack. That is one of the main reasons why I left tb.com, I was getting tired of being told what I can and cannot do even when it came to taking phone calls at 2.30am because the board was down.
I had two big changes to make that I felt as a owner were in the best interest of the board, I did not do it with a dictator ship attitude. I gathered lots of data, over 100 PM'S and numerous late night phone calls with many,many people.
You guys owe me nothing and I understand that, I apologize if you feel the way it went down was wrong. However getting rid of something like that, that most (because we are men) like regardless of the way it was handled would have been wrong.
I have deleted ONE thread since I am there, mistake in some members eyes maybe. However I really did not like the things that were typed by family members of mine and the staff. I have that right. I have edited 2-3 post's since I am there and closed 1 thread, is that a crime, I think not.
All the SOT new threads are opened and un-touched and you guys can vent all you want if need be. I have done nothing but give my heart and soul to this community for 10 years, I worked the track at BG for 3 days in the heat and staged over 200 cars and got a sub lunch for free at 4.00pm, I love these cars, love the community and have made many many close friends through it.
Through the years I have seen Jason, Bruce, Jay and many others hammered, beaten on, slandered and abused for little or no reasons. I have NEVER hurt anyone financially and all the years on tb.com NEVER banned anyone. I was always in the middle trying to repair things between owner and member and always took late night phone calls to help people with there cars, because they were afraid to post in fear of looking like a asshole.
I am sure some of you will read this and say fuck you are on a soap box, you looser, you church ass-wipe and that is fine with me. Am I perfect NO, have we made a few mistakes along the way YOU BET we have.
I at this point just want to apologize in a open forum to some who feel that T6P.Com is not there home anymore. The old T6P.Com was NOT working, the site was slated to go away and be gone forever. I knew it would be lots of time, work, energy, ass kiss phone calls, etc. I stepped up and took it and it has consumed me since and I have very little time for anything else at this point.
All I ask if you have any love left for T6P.Com, give us a chance. I think we all are going through some growing pains. The big moves are done and I just want to talk about Turbo Powered cars and have clean fun. We have been able to pick up new PAYING sponsors, not give us something and we will give you a banner, more and more members daily. Maybe not the members you guys would like, however that is why I gave you guys your own space. Not to curb you, or isolate you. A area just for you to do as you wish, hell I am no better than any of you and would love to go to your place and go back and fourth, I need that also sometimes. These job/sites etc are a thankless job with little or no return and filled with aggravation daily.
Thank you for letting me post here and sorry so long guys :yawinkle:
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Travis,
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The finally straw for me though was not the deletion of SOT.
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Lose the mods Travis, tbs does just fine without them. Or, if you have to have mods put some in place that are more conservative in their posting style and don't over react to childish drama.
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Straycat speaks for alot of us, Well said! :cool;
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I think some of it was reaction to what they thought was protecting the board, some was because I happen to be personal friends with some of them and the rest was I had asked them for help, I also have a life outside car message boards. They have been Buick racers and members for a long time, it seems now that they are helping they are no good. Not fair IMO.
I like Mike S but please do not start with he is not a vendor and has no moderation. You cannot say certain words on that site either, you also can view forum leaders here http://www.turbobuicks.com/forums/showgroups.php?. He does have people in places, not to mention some other people who have mod powers who we will remain nameless. If you are going to call it, call it guys.
The GSCA and any other vendor WILL never take over T6P, not as long as I am alive and own the site. I have NO affiliation with tb.com either and at this point, I am glad I left :psix;
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These are just internet bulletin boards, right? Am I missing something?
Relax guys, just have fun with it. :D
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Welcome to the T6P venting thread!
Seriouly.. WTF?
They are MESSAGE BOARDS get over it.
Travis - you dealt with the change at T6p poorly. Deal with it, learn from it, and move on.
The only thing I take exception to is your questioning of Mike S's ethics. Yes, he is a vendor, and YES some of his "mods" may be as well.
But he and his mods have something you need to study - Class and taste. You also picked your mods without understanding, or knowing them. You chose poorly.
And you will not find an instance of his "mods" regulating like they do on T6P and other message boards..
I, personally, am very unhappy with the things that have happened @ T6P.com lately, but hey..
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THey are MESSAGE BOARDS get over it
BINGO!!!!! :yawinkle: :yawinkle:
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You missed us didn't you?
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You missed us didn't you?
Do you mean miss you???
I just want to have clean fun and talk cars.
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The other "Bruce" in question is Bruce Plecan. A Buick GURU if one ever existed.
I've dealt with Bill Anderson, and he is truly a great guy. From what I've been
seeing, T6P has simply become another TB.com. I still go there, just not as much as I used to.