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Title: TR6 problems
Post by: larrym on August 21 2018, 03:03:13 PM
It was eating coils and now it won’t spin past 4000 rpm. So I’m still having issues but think I found the problem. I sent the box to Bob he figures it’s repairable.
My question is this appears to be a voltage problem my logs show 13 to 14.5 volts.
The power source for the module is a separate panel hot wired to the alternator I’m borrowing a stock module and coil should I wire a ballast resistor in line to be safe?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180821/5d5be0a0398de68273e2f8158df8ea4a.jpg)


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Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: Steve Wood on August 21 2018, 03:06:17 PM
Don't understand why.  It should handle 14.5 v with no problem at all as that is within the normal range.
Title: TR6 problems
Post by: larrym on August 21 2018, 03:49:31 PM
Hmm according to Bob that is the power to the coils just thought might be to much voltage.
I have checked all the coils and wires to the coils everything looks good.
The only thing I have changed is the power source to the module.


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Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: Steve Wood on August 21 2018, 03:56:14 PM
Brad would run a volt booster and go for 15.5 v.

I see some are having problems with moisture getting into the TR6 due to a faulty o-ring seal.
Title: TR6 problems
Post by: larrym on August 21 2018, 04:07:00 PM
Well that could be the problem looked dry inside but who knows


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Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: Steve Wood on August 21 2018, 04:30:10 PM
burning up coils followed by no start is one of the symptons
Title: TR6 problems
Post by: larrym on August 21 2018, 04:41:11 PM
Well I never had a nonstart but replaced 3 LS coils ...


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Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: good2win22 on August 21 2018, 08:07:04 PM
Hey Larry,  How did it act at 4000 rpm?  did it just stop and hang there or did it advance in rpm slowly?
Title: TR6 problems
Post by: larrym on August 21 2018, 10:01:08 PM
Would misfire and fall on it’s face.


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Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: Grumpy on August 23 2018, 06:14:53 AM
Don't understand why.  It should handle 14.5 v with no problem at all as that is within the normal range.
ya they do.  :cool; They are pretty dependable !
Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: good2win22 on August 23 2018, 08:27:06 AM
You might ask Bob to change the dwell on the coils. I bet he has it set at .5 ms. Been reading and hearing lots of folks burning up the LS coils with anything above .45 ms
Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: Steve Wood on August 23 2018, 09:21:20 AM
Is there another type of coil being used as well?  Somewhere in the back of my mind, I keep thinking I have heard of a problem with the LS coils....but it rained here and my imagination is fertile.
Title: TR6 problems
Post by: larrym on August 23 2018, 06:42:17 PM
Bob will look it over and has sent me a file to update the dwell to hopefully eliminate my issue
 


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Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: larrym on August 26 2018, 12:48:59 PM
Well I took my car to a little test and tune with a borrowed module and coil, made a couple decent licks but when I left hard it fell on its face.
Today I went of the car and think I may have found the problem, i have a cable from the battery to the engine block, it was loose.....
this would explain a lot of my issues I think eating coils and a scorched module.
Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: Steve Wood on August 26 2018, 01:16:11 PM
yep, it will increase the current draw on the ground paths
Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: good2win22 on August 27 2018, 08:13:50 AM
Is there another type of coil being used as well?  Somewhere in the back of my mind, I keep thinking I have heard of a problem with the LS coils....but it rained here and my imagination is fertile.
IGN1A is the preferred coil but somewhat pricey
Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: daveismissing on August 27 2018, 11:01:05 AM
Is there another type of coil being used as well?  Somewhere in the back of my mind, I keep thinking I have heard of a problem with the LS coils....but it rained here and my imagination is fertile.
IGN1A is the preferred coil but somewhat pricey
So who makes  real 1A coils? Looks like they originated from Mercury Marine?
Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: Steve Wood on August 27 2018, 01:49:20 PM
I think the Mercury Marine are the real ones...and then there are the clones...I'm thinking this is an awfully expensive way to go if you are making less than 700 hp
Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: good2win22 on August 27 2018, 10:46:59 PM
I think the Mercury Marine are the real ones...and then there are the clones...I'm thinking this is an awfully expensive way to go if you are making less than 700 hp
I'll continue to use the LS coils
Title: TR6 problems
Post by: larrym on August 28 2018, 12:08:49 PM
Delco coils Jason?
The ING require a different harness correct?


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Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: good2win22 on August 28 2018, 09:40:09 PM
Delco coils Jason?
The ING require a different harness correct?


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Yes sir. Delco coils. As far as I know and I could be wrong there is no need to change the harness for the IGN1A coils
Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: larrym on August 30 2018, 03:40:06 PM
well its back... what ever my problem is its not my ground or module I have a stock known good in it now. I checked the fuel pressure it seems good rises with boost, the symptoms pointed to ignition if I launch it hard once I get to about 4000 rpm 19, 20 psi it falls flat. All the intercooler hoses are tight and it drives great under normal driving conditions no codes and my logs look fine no knock fueling is good. I'm gonna swap out the crank sensor see if its giving me grief and make sure the balancer is tight.
any other suggestions?
Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: Steve Wood on August 30 2018, 05:49:46 PM
broken valve spring?
Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: good2win22 on August 30 2018, 08:19:55 PM
Are you blowing out the spark?
Title: TR6 problems
Post by: larrym on August 30 2018, 09:58:48 PM
Well it’s not the crank sensor.
I’m gonna pull all the plugs and check them and give it a compression test.
The valve train sounds fine the spring where new this winter Comp 941
It’s like it hits a rev limiter at 4000 rpm I stayed into it a bit just started to lose steam. Hitting on 4 out of 6 holes.


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Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: good2win22 on August 30 2018, 10:45:16 PM
Ohm out the wires while you're checking stuff
Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: Steve Wood on August 30 2018, 10:57:47 PM
did you send it into Bob?
Title: TR6 problems
Post by: larrym on August 30 2018, 11:25:58 PM
Bob has the TR6 I have borrowed a known good stock set up.


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Title: TR6 problems
Post by: larrym on August 31 2018, 05:52:15 PM
Ok so compression is with in 5lbs around 130  plugs all look good


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Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: Steve Wood on August 31 2018, 05:57:43 PM
What's your voltage?
Title: TR6 problems
Post by: larrym on August 31 2018, 07:11:19 PM
14 on the logs


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Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: larrym on September 02 2018, 11:18:15 AM
put an old chip in it 5.7 I think burned with 25 degrees of timing turned it down to 17 PSI on a preliminary test hit it seemed fine but  was very fat. I will tune it a bit and let you know how I make out.
Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: larrym on September 03 2018, 04:17:56 PM
so I pulled some timing and added boost to lean it out, seems to be working great a couple hits from a dig and its ripping must have gotten some moisture in the computer or the chip somehow. I have relocated the computer and positioned it to avoid this in the future.
Title: Re: TR6 problems
Post by: Steve Wood on September 03 2018, 05:46:34 PM
sounds like some progress to me!
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