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Tech Area => General Buick Tech => Topic started by: Cool Guy on January 08 2018, 02:25:30 PM
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I understand this is about as simple as selecting N/A camshaft profiles. :shrug:
I am trying to learn about how to select a turbocharger & torque converter combination.
I'm thinking that a 2800-3000 RPM LU converter would be preferable for a street/road car. I don't have a track nearby & I'm interested primarily in a driver, that can still kill.
How much slippage does one experience while driving around town at 5-45MPH?
How large of a turbo can you spool quickly with a tight converter?
I've noticed a lot of 6262 combos listed. What are they capable of?
I do have a set of good flowing heads.
Thanks.
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The in thing is a non-lockup converter! Converter comes down to power levels and combination. Get a hold of some of the good converter guys like Dusty and they can set you up. I know at the track when the car was buzzing at 6300rpm and I locked up my converter I went to 5300 rpm. After that I was thinking I should go to a non-LU.
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A converter is not a constant. different turbos need different converters to stall the same. Over simplification maybe but
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The CEA 6262 is a legitimate 10 second turbo. I've gone 6.7 at 105 in the 1/8th on 25 PSI with a 1.58 launch. That's about mid 10 territory translated in the 1/4. I could have eclipsed that that particular day but I ran out of injector. IDC was in the 90's with 60's. I bracket race the car at 7 flat at 100 on 23 PSI, an easy 1.7x launch and an easy tune. Equivalent is 11 flat translated in the 1/4.
I run an AC 16930 that stalls at 0 boost at 2750...it's real tight. I run over 30 degrees of low gear timing and drop the low gear 02's below 800 to get it to launch. To get a 1.5x launch I have to flash the convertor to 3950 or better. The car drives like a stocker with it being that tight.
If I had to do it all over again, I'd go with a 6265 and a NL PTC convertor spec'd by Dusty. The 6265 is good for another 30 HP all in.
Jim on the board here has a Husek 3021 and has gone 11.4 at 117 on 26 PSI, alky and a stock long block with a 60 series turbo. With a better launch, a good set of heads and tuning I think he could go all day at 10.90. Think he worked the slip at 12 percent.
You'll need an efficient IC as well.
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You'll need an efficient IC as well.
RJC 325 FMIC
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You'll need an efficient IC as well.
RJC 325 FMIC
I'm testing a vertical flow IC for one of the Buick vendors in the spring...stay tuned. The RJC 325 is the best choice...at the moment.
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Been following the R&D of a vertical flow IC on the other board.
Sounds promising.
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I've gone 6.7 at 105 in the 1/8th on 25 PSI with a 1.58 launch. That's about mid 10 territory translated in the 1/4. I could have eclipsed that that particular day but I ran out of injector.-----------------------
See I don't agree with that statement. my car picked up 26 mph in the back half at 19 lbs of boost Some of the high 9 cars do that also. Can I say my car runs high 9;s
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If you call Dusty, he will spec you one of three converters that PTC recommends for the turbo buick guys. They are all the same converter except for the number of blades. 17, 18 or 19 blade. Your power level will determine which number of blades he will recommend. PTC part numbers are pretty easy to break down what's going on on the inside and what tranny it was made for. I called PTC direct and spoke with them for about 30 minutes. Super nice guys there are PTC. No dings against Dusty, he has a full time job and is a distributor for PTC on the side. I called him and left a message and then called PTC. Dusty didn't get back to me for a few days
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See I don't agree with that statement. my car picked up 26 mph in the back half at 19 lbs of boost Some of the high 9 cars do that also. Can I say my car runs high 9;s
You can tell us anything you want . But if you want us to believe it you'll need a time slip or two.
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Goals, goals and goals. Without a goal it’s hard to pick out the proper combination. Not everyone needs a ten second turbo.
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I've gone 6.7 at 105 in the 1/8th on 25 PSI with a 1.58 launch. That's about mid 10 territory translated in the 1/4. I could have eclipsed that that particular day but I ran out of injector.-----------------------
See I don't agree with that statement. my car picked up 26 mph in the back half at 19 lbs of boost Some of the high 9 cars do that also. Can I say my car runs high 9;s
When I ran the 1/4 my car would pick up 25 in the back half...consist ently.
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Goals, goals and goals. Without a goal it’s hard to pick out the proper combination. Not everyone needs a ten second turbo.
OP says he wants to run 10's. You and I know it's addictive. How fast is the Firechicken gonna go...
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My car is stock and I went with the 6262 with a 3k l/u made by ptc. Awesome combination on the street for sure. I don't/didn't have any goals when I purchased, but I always prefer to purchase one time, so I bought something to grow into. My injectors are upgraded as well as pump and chip, but no good flowing heads or anything like that. I'm extremely happy with this combo fwiw.
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OP says he wants to run 10's.
Does anybody else just roll their eyes and turn off posts that have ''how do I run 10's''?
I think it might be because of that time I wanted to bang Tracy Smith and I had to watch the Slow and Delirious at her house.
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Goals, goals and goals. Without a goal it’s hard to pick out the proper combination. Not everyone needs a ten second turbo.
OP says he wants to run 10's. You and I know it's addictive. How fast is the Firechicken gonna go...
I must have missed that....
Just depends on how far in the 10s he wants to go.
My firechicken isn’t going to be fast, everyone knows you can’t go fast with a manual gearbox and a turbo!
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Does anybody else just roll their eyes and turn off posts that have ''how do I run 10's''?
So is someone supposed to have a performance goal in mind, or not? :wtf:
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It is hard to know you are accomplishing anything without goals. A written goal is easier to attain in my opinion.
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Am I incorrect in thinking that if a TSA car on 28psi through a Dutt Neck SLIC, runs in the 11's, I should be able to build a car that runs in the 10's with better heads, turbo, FMIC & no need to retain the stock appearance?
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I don't see any mention of 10's from the OP. It slightly annoys me when people have an idea of a timeslip that they want to run because most hardly spend time at the track. Most guys who run 10's at the track aren't running that on the street. What I mean by the street is, they have a different tune as well as different tires/rims that they use at the track. My idea of a legit 10 second car is one that will do it without changing anything. Just get in it, and drive it. Instead of time slips, people should build recipes for potential HP and Tq numbers and RELIABILITY.
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For how junk my car is, this 6262 and PTC 3k l/u combination is mind blowing. I wasn't expecting this turbo to spool as fast as it does on my stock engine...
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I don't see any mention of 10's from the OP. It slightly annoys me when people have an idea of a timeslip that they want to run because most hardly spend time at the track. Most guys who run 10's at the track aren't running that on the street. What I mean by the street is, they have a different tune as well as different tires/rims that they use at the track. My idea of a legit 10 second car is one that will do it without changing anything. Just get in it, and drive it. Instead of time slips, people should build recipes for potential HP and Tq numbers and RELIABILITY.
I couldn't agree more and what it runs it runs.
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Dan was running a CPT-66 and going low 10's. He then switch to the 6766 and ran the 9's I believe.
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Steve it seems to me you are trying to compare a race only car to a real street car.
A real street car that drives to the track and puts the race cars on the trailer is what impresses me.
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I understand that Steve, and I wasn't opposing anything you mentioned. I was just touching on what Earl mentioned as far as guys wanting to run a certain time in the qtr mile and it being annoying. As far as the OP is concerned, I was only saying that based on what had read with regards to turbo and TC combos, the combo I have "ideally" is too much but I have not sacrificed any drivability on the street with it. I think track times are cool, but I prefer dyno numbers only because I feel like the drivers of these cars are far less consistent than the dynos. As you mentioned, the weather plays a HUGE role as well as track prep and other things that are beyond our control. I'd rather have a car that was dyno tuned on the "safe" side so i could at least know theoretically what it "should" run as it sits; not pushing it to the limits like some do because they're chasing a number.
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I def agree with what you're saying Steve no doubt. Some parts I consider cool guy parts, and others I just don't. When you mention that they were on the edge, that's something that I wouldn't want on my street driven buick. Yes, their combo worked wonderful, but pushing it to limits is something I would want to avoid, which is why I mentioned buying parts that are beyond what your goals are(within reason).
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Most don't know who Russ Merritt is. Bottom line. Russ is one of the very best in the business...per iod. Russ' wife went 9.97 at 138 with a girdled stock stroke 109...think the crank was 20/30. Roller cam...Champion iron heads and I'm betting Russ warmed them over. Stock headers...6776 ...5.7 alky chip...Transla tor...9/11 convertor...th at's it. And Russ' wife...well... the lady can drive.
Air quality Most haven't got a clue...unless they're out racing every weekend in it spring to fall.
Torque convertors. People are hooked on LU's and will continue to wonder why there MPH is off. I've given up...
Driving ability. Some can...some can't.
XFI. On a 10 flat car you won't go any faster with it. The box is really shiney, I'll give it that.
Power is in the heads. JB Racing heads out flow Champions. Last time I looked there's a pair on my car. 7 flat at 100 all day on 23 PSI...a fat tune and a lazy 1.7.x launch. JB Racing is the best kept secret in Canada.
Dynos are a baseline as to where your car is at...and that's as far as it goes. They don't take into consideration wind resistance, driver ability, track conditions etc. Dyno sheets are popular with the Timmies crowd...
Unless your willing to get up at 4am on the weekends and hit the track to test/race...then you're not gonna learn all the little things to get these cars to run hard all day long.
Almost forgot. Most won't listen...or read instructions.
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I see some folks buying every known part, to increase HP.
way over built, not strength, but way to big of turbo, inj, cam, valve springs, and the list
goes on.........why ? cause some one with no clue, told them to?
I actually like it, as down the road, at some point, they will sell off the car or parts,
and I get a great deal on underused parts.
95% of these cars are street driven, yet have parts that are close to "race only"
my big issue is valve springs, 99% have way to much spring pressure,
my we4 has oem heads, with big valves, and about 2 hrs on a flow bench,
206 cam, 60lb inj, and a 911 LU converter, and old school TA60.
11.51@117, and 24 mpg hiway, quiet, and as easy to drive as it was when new,
it spends 99 % of its time on the street,
seems you just can not tell some folks facts, as they wanna hear fiction, it must be more entertaining.
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I have no problem with those combos and believe you. just because you can run 10's or whatever does not make it a race car. however anything on your car that's not street legal does make a race car IMO.
Race gas fiberglass parts slicks and include trailers and such do IMHO.
In my case I drive to the track do nothing to the car go directly to the lanes after tech go around the water box to the beams .peddle it a bit till second gear and run 11.92 at 122. with a 2.1- 60 ft time. It does what it does, no excuses;
THE combo is close to Steves.
The distance between city blocks used to be 1/4 mile read into that what you may lolol
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Steve, I think the combos you have listed are right on the money!
I would like my car to run low 11's or even a high 10 on straight pump gas. I have run mid 11's on pump. With more compression, good lifters and better turbo I guess we will see how it performs. Who knows I might not have gained much.
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We don't have E85 here either. :( I'm stuck with 94. I was thinking of tuning the car to 20psi with alky which should make it a decent performer.
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Most don't run near enuf valve spring pressure. 130 lb valve springs on this flat tappet cam. Discuss amongst yourselves.
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You are probably right about that Steve! My 4.1 moves a lot of air. I tried the stock turbo on it and it just chokes it, the exhaust wheel is too small. So I would imagine the 68mm turbine wheel will probably add a bit as well.
Brad, I agree. Lots of power to be made on the valve train with good springs, especially with titanium springs and retainers.
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I thought Mohawk had some good gas what happened to that?
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We don't have E85 here either. :( I'm stuck with 94. I was thinking of tuning the car to 20psi with alky which should make it a decent performer.
20? You meant 24. Obviously a typo.
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I can see that, Steve! I only used the stocker for the initial breakin, just in case something goes bad I didn't want to take out the CPT-66.
Brad I was thinking maybe 22psi but that would be the most for street use.
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All this talk about 10 sec cars and the reality is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAIsDJK2P6 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAIsDJK2P6)
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I enjoy reading and learning from you guys. It's always a treat to consume such useful information. The only issue I have is grouping everyone into the same category who buy parts that you say they "don't need" and referring to them as "cool guy" parts. I've read Steve's site through and through, which is why I have a good idea on what's going on with my car and what to address. I literally regret not going straight to 60lb injectors, and not because I've maxxed out my 42.5's, but for a piece of mind when I get ready to turn the boost up. I actually feel like Julio's alky kit is a cool guy part for MOST out here who removed their old working alky kits to buy his. His kit is definitely superior to any other kit for sure, but how many actually take full advantage of how good it really is? His kit provides the comfort of "room to grow" which is the main reason people run it and the ONLY point that I'm attempting to make about doing things only once.
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I thought Mohawk had some good gas what happened to that?
Didn't see your post, yes it is decent by far the best pump gas here. It probably has a bit more than 10% ethanol in it at times. And because of that you need a bit bigger injectors, that is why I will be running 80's now.
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Food for thot. Grumpy cracked the 9's with 60's and alky. I ran out of injector with race gas and 60's at 6.7 at 105.
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OK I thot about it. Just because your scan tool says idc is at 100% doesn't necessarily mean it;s the injectors fault
And the 100% is a calculated number.
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OK I thot about it. Just because your scan tool says idc is at 100% doesn't necessarily mean it;s the injectors fault
And the 100% is a calculated number.
Absolutely! If the pump isn't putting out the volume bigger injectors aren't going to help. That is why cranking up the pressure helps, more going into the injectors and less back to the tank. One of the guys in the club had a 190 lph pump and when I tuned it for him I ended up cranking the pressure to 60 psi. There was 7 turbo buick at the track and a couple people commented on how that is too much pressure. Someone turned it down and his mph went from 112mph to 108mph, which equates to 40 rwhp on that car.
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Curiously enuf, my IDC with 80's is lower than at 7 flat than it was the 60's at 7 flat. Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Your [/size]ET / MPH[/size] computed from your vehicle weight of 3500 pounds and HP of 720 is [/size]9.87[/size]seconds and MPH of [/size]136.96[/size] MPH.
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Most don't run near enuf valve spring pressure. 130 lb valve springs on this flat tappet cam. Discuss amongst yourselves.
I've used these when planning and building my boosted LS engines:
http://www.wallaceracing.com/boost-spring-pressure-calc.php (http://www.wallaceracing.com/boost-spring-pressure-calc.php)
http://www.wallaceracing.com/calc-valve-spring.php (http://www.wallaceracing.com/calc-valve-spring.php)
http://www.wallaceracing.com/dynamic-cr.php (http://www.wallaceracing.com/dynamic-cr.php)
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We had a look at the lifters when I overboosted this engine. Lifters were spinning nicely with no wear. Best thing to do after proper break in procedure is to take it straight to the track and beat on it like a seal pup. I'm fairly certain the faster the engine spins...the faster the lifter spins. I was using the 981's...but they softened up pretty quick. We were swapping them out 2-3 times a season. Read a post from Dusty from when he raced 109's. He was swapping valve springs several times a season. Most don't realize they soften up pretty quick. The car will start getting slower on the back half. Swap the springs in...and the MPH comes back up. You can actually 'see' it on the RPM gauge panel on PL with regards to the RPM struggling in high gear.
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Curiously enuf, my IDC with 80's is lower than at 7 flat than it was the 60's at 7 flat. Discuss amongst yourselves.
As expected less pressure equals more volume; That why a 340lph pump is rated at higher horsepower in a carb car.
Did you go quicker?
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80 lb injectors are good to about 960 hp. 9.0 range.
I don't know what fuel pump you are using but a single 340 is good for about 600 hp gross
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I have the car set at 7 flat...and haven't bothered to try. Gonna run it at 6.9 this year for bracket racing on an easy 1.7x launch...easy tune and 23 PSI. When I ran the 6.7 I was told to park the car. I'm having Eric tweak the fueling in my race chip.
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Is that 600 gross street out is that heads race car hp?
The 255 LPH pump from Racetronix for our cars is rated at 600 FWHP. No data is available from Racetronix for the 340 LPH...or none that I could find.
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Best thing to do after proper break in procedure is to take it straight to the track and beat on it like a seal pup.
Hey, that's racist! :P
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Is that 600 gross street out is that heads race car hp?
STREET legal but yes the gas used makes a difference.
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For how junk my car is, this 6262 and PTC 3k l/u combination is mind blowing. I wasn't expecting this turbo to spool as fast as it does on my stock engine...
Tell me about it. I installed a 6262 a few months ago after running a 44 for(ever) more than 10 years, maybe much longer. :rolleyes; I was very impressed with the power increase, to say the least. I also purchased a 9.5 lock-up converter from Ron Husek to replace my D-5, but I still haven't installed it. To my surprise, the D-5 works fine with the 62. My only complaint is with myself. I thought I could still run 25 pounds of boost. :icon_eyes:
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For how junk my car is, this 6262 and PTC 3k l/u combination is mind blowing. I wasn't expecting this turbo to spool as fast as it does on my stock engine...
Tell me about it. I installed a 6262 a few months ago after running a 44 for(ever) more than 10 years, maybe much longer. :rolleyes; I was very impressed with the power increase, to say the least. I also purchased a 9.5 lock-up converter from Ron Husek to replace my D-5, but I still haven't installed it. To my surprise, the D-5 works fine with the 62. My only complaint is with myself. I thought I could still run 25 pounds of boost. :icon_eyes:
You don't a that (Dave) Husek converter..... ...garbage and LU to boot. Let me know if you wan to sell :D
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Most don't know who Russ Merritt is. Bottom line. Russ is one of the very best in the business...per iod. Russ' wife went 9.97 at 138 with a girdled stock stroke 109...think the crank was 20/30. Roller cam...Champion iron heads and I'm betting Russ warmed them over. Stock headers...6776 ...5.7 alky chip...Transla tor...9/11 convertor...th at's it. And Russ' wife...well... the lady can drive.
They were stock Champions. I think they are on my Mazda now. Russ does his own heads. BIGGER isn't always better !! We were gone from racing for 9 years. She came back in 2016 on a HOT/HUMID 90* day. We were at the lake chilling an they decided to go to the track . NED had a Street outlaw class she wanted to get in. The hook came out an here we are now.
........ So much new stuff an changing all the time. Have to seperate the BS. ! Ya we have tried a lot to. :cheers:
Driving ability. Some can...some can't.
Almost forgot. Most won't listen...or read instructions.
Most important !!!!
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I don't care what you say Dan, it was all your daughter! :)
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You are correct. Last time I saw Dan was at Cecil County. He was sleeping in the back of the truck and Melissa was doing all the work
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I don't care what you say Dan, it was all your daughter! :)
Lemme tel ya her an Russ are always trying to move forward and faster !! Since they have been back she is usually at the track 2 days a week.. Min of 6+ 9 sec runs a day. She is always working the lights. I did run her in the Mazda and I thought something was wrong with my car ! She was GONE. 1.3 60's !! Russ is always trying to get more out of the car. Trailer does go to the track.. BUT it is still driven everywhere.. I still love my 9/11 lu. She has a PTC :rolleyes; now. But she is hauling !!
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You are correct. Last time I saw Dan was at Cecil County. He was sleeping in the back of the truck and Melissa was doing all the work
Ed I now have a nice comphy chair. My job now is taking care of the alky :atbeer: .. Hopefully with the GSCA moving the event we will be at CC this year. :rock: Goin to be a busy summer !!
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Lemme tel ya her an Russ are always trying to move forward and faster !! Since they have been back she is usually at the track 2 days a week.. Min of 6+ 9 sec runs a day. She is always working the lights. I did run her in the Mazda and I thought something was wrong with my car ! She was GONE. 1.3 60's !! Russ is always trying to get more out of the car. Trailer does go to the track.. BUT it is still driven everywhere.. I still love my 9/11 lu. She has a PTC :rolleyes; now. But she is hauling !!
A 1.3 is insane! Is that off of a transbrake? I'm going to stick with my 9/11 for now. With 29mpg and 11's on pump gas what's not to like. I think with all the issues I have taken car of the car should be much better.
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Foot brake .. Maybe once we have it where we want it she will try a brake. :O
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Foot brake .. Maybe once we have it where we want it she will try a brake. :O
Wow! That is even much more impressive! :cool;
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Wow! That is even much more impressive! :cool;
That's why I tell guys ya have to practice practice practise !!! Staging is nothing playing around. But race wise ya have to be on the ball. Ya have to bump in with Boost where ya want it. She makes it look easy.
Back to the thread I'd go with the smallest turbo/converter you can get away with . Both have come a long way !!
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Thank you all for the replies. I understand the comments on driving technique.
What are the thoughts on Precision Turbo vs. the offerings by Garrett & Borg Warner?
I think I'm interested in the 6262 to 6266 sized turbos.
How tight of a torque converter can be run within that range?
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Thank you all for the replies. I understand the comments on driving technique.
What are the thoughts on Precision Turbo vs. the offerings by Garrett & Borg Warner?
I think I'm interested in the 6262 to 6266 sized turbos.
How tight of a torque converter can be run within that range?
Get this: https://m.ebay.com/itm/T66-Turbo-Charger-For-Buick-Grand-National-GNX-T-Type-550-HP-Quick-Spool-/160852764555
And a budget converter.
I dare you.
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Get this: https://m.ebay.com/itm/T66-Turbo-Charger-For-Buick-Grand-National-GNX-T-Type-550-HP-Quick-Spool-/160852764555 (https://m.ebay.com/itm/T66-Turbo-Charger-For-Buick-Grand-National-GNX-T-Type-550-HP-Quick-Spool-/160852764555)
And a budget converter.
I dare you.
No thanks. I don't even like Chinese food.
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Thank you all for the replies. I understand the comments on driving technique.
What are the thoughts on Precision Turbo vs. the offerings by Garrett & Borg Warner?
I think I'm interested in the 6262 to 6266 sized turbos.
How tight of a torque converter can be run within that range?
And a budget converter.
Why use a "budget converter" after ya spend so much on the car everywhere else???
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Thank you all for the replies. I understand the comments on driving technique.
What are the thoughts on Precision Turbo vs. the offerings by Garrett & Borg Warner?
I think I'm interested in the 6262 to 6266 sized turbos.
How tight of a torque converter can be run within that range?
And a budget converter.
Why use a "budget converter" after ya spend so much on the car everywhere else???
I was being a bit sarcastic. I used a budget Yank in our TBSS, and sure it did 1.6 short times (even to the surprise of Yank) until it took out the transmission. Now it has a billet Coan (twice the cost, not including the money to fix the trans).
That said, I'd be willing to bet that the Chinese T66 and a decent converter would perform pretty well for the money. It wasn't so long ago that a restalled D5 and some witches brew turbo were acceptable mods.
The misconception about bad parts out of the Orient are pretty much baseless these days.
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The misconception about bad parts out of the Orient are pretty much baseless these days.
Have to respectfully disagree.
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I'm not so sure on the Chinese stuff. Where is most of it coming from? Yep, over there. The problems start when the seller, buyer, installer don't know the difference between junk and quality stuff. Or The maker knowingly misrepresents the stuff and the seller, going by the makers specs sells It under that guise and the buyer cant make it work or the stuff fails. Remember the roller cam fiasco.
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Anyone hear about the "CARB" approved wood flooring from China?
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Why would you need carb approval for flooring?
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Why would you need carb approval for flooring?
The laminating glue off gasses formaldehyde fumes. The packaging was rubber stamped CARB Approved.
https://globalnews.ca/news/1594273/high-levels-of-formaldehyde-found-in-chinese-made-floors-sold-in-north-america/ (https://globalnews.ca/news/1594273/high-levels-of-formaldehyde-found-in-chinese-made-floors-sold-in-north-america/)
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/01/18/apple-supply-workers-describe-noxious-hazards-unsafe-conditions-at-china-factory.html (http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/01/18/apple-supply-workers-describe-noxious-hazards-unsafe-conditions-at-china-factory.html)
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I'm not so sure on the Chinese stuff. Where is most of it coming from? Yep, over there. The problems start when the seller, buyer, installer don't know the difference between junk and quality stuff. Or The maker knowingly misrepresents the stuff and the seller, going by the makers specs sells It under that guise and the buyer cant make it work or the stuff fails. Remember the roller cam fiasco.
Depends on the reseller and how they manage the QC on the product.
If you are out to make a quick buck and don't mind flipping garbage - yeah off shore parts are going to justifiably get a bad rap. To the contrary, if you hold the manufacturer to task and want sustained sales - the off shore goods are good.
How many Buick owners chase their tails with cracked OEM headers (blankets, braces, etc)? Those things are just low-grade stainless MIG welded POSs by a drunk line worker in the 80s. OEM header is best header. But the offshore Buick headers are "junk", right? But, why are they junk? Because someone wanted to fill a budget-level need and rushed them to market - no validation, no QC, no follow-up or version control. Quick buck made.
Ever notice how Precision and Turbonetics have had QC issues too (Procharger doesn't even warranty its own products)? Or the various vendors who couldn't engineer a cereal box much less a budget roller cam? Some are excellent at making high quality parts, and suck at business (Mease I am looking at you). It goes on and on. No one company is perfect, some just choose to be more accountable than others.
The mass contingent of folks just follow along like sheep looking for "proven recipes" because they are incapable of thinking for themselves, or just really risk adverse. You can tell who the few thinkers, movers, and shakers are because they do things successfully and generate a lot of interest but no followers.
Go on, buy what makes you "comfortable" I am not trying to stop anyone.
EDIT: Main reseller of the T66 is CX Racing which moves a lot of product and has managed it brand well https://www.cxracing.com/TRB-T6-GN_PIP250-90-L-KIT (https://www.cxracing.com/TRB-T6-GN_PIP250-90-L-KIT) So, I doubt it is total shit (just well cloned old tech).
EDIT 2: https://turbobuick.com/threads/new-turbo-on-ebay.310895/ (https://turbobuick.com/threads/new-turbo-on-ebay.310895/) Still hit or miss in 2010, some marginal success, but 8 years of refinement is proving to be closing the gap. There are so many effective clone turbos on the market now it is hard to argue against their validity for a budget build. Not everyone has $1200 to spend on a name brand turbocharger.
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Excellent post Motorhead... :cheers:
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Chinese products cause job loss in the USA. They copy an existing design (usually poorly), then the USA manufacturers are faced with either having to move production to China, or go out of business. Once the Chinese product has killed off any competition, the pricing is raised. Now you pay about the same, for lower quality, plus your family, neighbors, etc, lose job opportunities.
Do you really want Chinese parts vs. USA manufactured parts? What happened to supporting the Country that you live in?
PS. This post is supposed to be educational on various turbo & converter combinations.
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Chinese products cause job loss in the USA. They copy an existing design (usually poorly), then the USA manufacturers are faced with either having to move production to China, or go out of business. Once the Chinese product has killed off any competition, the pricing is raised. Now you pay about the same, for lower quality, plus your family, neighbors, etc, lose job opportunities.
Do you really want Chinese parts vs. USA manufactured parts? What happened to supporting the Country that you live in?
PS. This post is supposed to be educational on various turbo & converter combinations.
First of all I am Canadian - so protectionist rhetoric doesn't resonate with me. We rely on a heathly import/export model here in America Jr.
Back on topic, I gave an option. It just happens to be outside of what you wanted to hear. Fine then - buy a Garrett, Turbonetics, or Precision turbo - they are all equally expensive and should smother you in a warm blanket of self-assured buyer's remorse. But, you can fell validated at the next Cars and Coffee that you dusted your car off for when it proudly displays the comforting image of a name brand - lest ye be judged.
As for a converter... ummm... get a Precision Industries 9.5" triple disc (they are still stupid expensive, right?). The stall rating isn't important because you'll never get the trans up to temp putt-putting to the nearest Starbucks fetching your mocha frappe purse drink.
To sum up, there are more reliable cost effective options than the narrow-sighted hive-minded Buick community cares to acknowledge. But, go ahead and spend top dollar on something you rarely use to avoid feeling like an outsider - please piss your money away.
China T66 and a used cheapo Art Carr converter - $1000 all in. You'll run 9s. I promise.
I rarely bought a new part for my Buick and it did okay.
EDIT: This is a funny take on the classic go-to 9/11 converter: http://converter.com/article1.htm (http://converter.com/article1.htm)
EDIT 2: With the way I rant I should work at PI: http://converter.com/article3.htm (http://converter.com/article3.htm)
EDIT 3: Or just run the T66 with a stock D5: https://www.turbobuick.com/threads/spooling-a-t66-turbo-with-a-stock-d-5-converter.148573/ (https://www.turbobuick.com/threads/spooling-a-t66-turbo-with-a-stock-d-5-converter.148573/)
EDIT 4: Evidently the China T66 was sold by a Buick vendor in 2015: https://turbobuick.com/threads/t66-turbo-from-cxracing-com.428403/ (https://turbobuick.com/threads/t66-turbo-from-cxracing-com.428403/)
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First of all I am Canadian....
French Canadian by any chance?
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Mike. just as an aside to the 3 turbo;s you mentioned, they are all the same company now.
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China T66 and a used cheapo Art Carr converter - $1000 all in. You'll run 9s. I promise.
Have you run 9's ?? You make it sound so easy.
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First of all I am Canadian....
French Canadian by any chance?
Why would it matter to this discussion? What if I was non-White - would that also make a difference to you too?
Mike. just as an aside to the 3 turbo;s you mentioned, they are all the same company now.
So it is a case of vendor bias and price fixing. Nice.
China T66 and a used cheapo Art Carr converter - $1000 all in. You'll run 9s. I promise.
Have you run 9's ?? You make it sound so easy.
Evidently my sarcasm isn't coming through clearly enough, Dan. It was a loose Fast and Furious reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyOG16bQgDw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyOG16bQgDw)
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Well this thread has become a real douche fest!
Apparently there is only 4 or 5 guys that know how to build & drive a Turbo Regal. :rolleyes;
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Well this thread has become a real douche fest!
Apparently there is only 4 or 5 guys that know how to build & drive a Turbo Regal. :rolleyes;
That is the best you have for us? Come on, try harder. Nothing that was said in this thread (other than my drivel-fueled rant) isn't something that hasn't been said everyday for the last 15 years in the Buick community. Next time maybe we just toss the subject into http://lmgtfy.com/ (http://lmgtfy.com/) or you take a ride on the Internet Wayback Machine https://archive.org/web/ (https://archive.org/web/)
Never forget that this is a public forum, meaning your thread is not necessarily your own, and if gets derailed - so be it.
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Sorry that I participated in this thread. I apologize to any snowflakes for any distress I may have caused and have removed my posts to stop further injury
SMH
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Well this thread has become a real douche fest!
Apparently there is only 4 or 5 guys that know how to build & drive a Turbo Regal. :rolleyes;
I'm still learning. Mike is my hero
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First of all I am Canadian....
French Canadian by any chance?
Why would it matter to this discussion? What if I was non-White - would that also make a difference to you too?
Mike. just as an aside to the 3 turbo;s you mentioned, they are all the same company now.
So it is a case of vendor bias and price fixing. Nice.
China T66 and a used cheapo Art Carr converter - $1000 all in. You'll run 9s. I promise.
Have you run 9's ?? You make it sound so easy.
Evidently my sarcasm isn't coming through clearly enough, Dan. It was a loose Fast and Furious reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyOG16bQgDw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyOG16bQgDw)
NO I didn't.. You have to use :player: :icon_fU: :chin: :cheers: :rofl:
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Well this thread has become a real douche fest!
Apparently there is only 4 or 5 guys that know how to build & drive a Turbo Regal. :rolleyes;
Winter is here !!!!! :rock: Thanks for giving me a plug. :player: Oh you stole one of my best quotes as your name. Lighten up Francis :cheers:
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I'm still learning. Mike is my hero
Jason we all are still learning !!! IF ya don't your not goin to go faster/quicker. We have tried all sorts of "cool guy parts" . Live an learn :chin:
I know it's 4 AM... Flu time, coughing an feel like crap so I came here for some entertainment :cheers:
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Well this thread has become a real douche fest!
Apparently there is only 4 or 5 guys that know how to build & drive a Turbo Regal. :rolleyes;
Mike is my hero
That is more pressure than I can handle.
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First of all I am Canadian....
French Canadian by any chance?
Why would it matter to this discussion? What if I was non-White - would that also make a difference to you too?
Mike. just as an aside to the 3 turbo;s you mentioned, they are all the same company now.
So it is a case of vendor bias and price fixing. Nice.
China T66 and a used cheapo Art Carr converter - $1000 all in. You'll run 9s. I promise.
Have you run 9's ?? You make it sound so easy.
Evidently my sarcasm isn't coming through clearly enough, Dan. It was a loose Fast and Furious reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyOG16bQgDw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyOG16bQgDw)
NO I didn't.. You have to use :player: :icon_fU: :chin: :cheers: :rofl:
Don't fret because most French Canadians don't read it well either - and that is face to face.
With our girls being in French school I am hoping to transcend that barrier by creating the most sarcastic Anglo-Francos in history.
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Don't fret because most French Canadians don't read it well either - and that is face to face.
With our girls being in French school I am hoping to transcend that barrier by creating the most sarcastic Anglo-Francos in history.
What is Canada's most well known accomplishment?
As far as snowflakes? Hardly!
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Seeing Cool Guy's signature it looks like we have another troll.
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Seeing Cool Guy's signature it looks like we have another troll.
This appears to be a ploy to turn this board into toilet paper 6.com complete with pull my finger jokes.
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We've been duped!
Actually... I wasn't... I treated it like garbage. God, I love having the super-power of female intuition!
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Is that to say cool dude is not above board on his combo?
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China T66 and a used cheapo Art Carr converter - $1000 all in. You'll run 9s. I promise.
Have you run 9's ?? You make it sound so easy.
Didn't you go 9's with a 9/11?
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China T66 and a used cheapo Art Carr converter - $1000 all in. You'll run 9s. I promise.
Have you run 9's ?? You make it sound so easy.
Didn't you go 9's with a 9/11?
Yes. that was back in 2007.. We did get it rebuilt a year or to ago. Had a lot of milege on it. Yes we locked it. Have one in the Mazda/Buick to. Do lots driving an still cry I need a LU. Melissa's car has a PTC NLU in it now. I will say they have come a long way as far as drivability. Like I said turbos converters and everything else is changing all the time. :cheers: