IHADAV8.com - Turbo Buick Tech, and Nonsense

Tech Area => General Buick Tech => Topic started by: Scoobum on August 13 2017, 08:40:50 AM

Title: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: Scoobum on August 13 2017, 08:40:50 AM
The green/red light comes on as well as the Power Injection bulb on the dash...but the engine doesn't bog down when the test button is hit. How do I go about checking the pump?
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: TexasT on August 13 2017, 09:19:35 AM
I would think you could disconnect the feed and secure it into a receptacle and hit the button and see what comes out. From what I've read the pumps don't last too awfully long and require an overhaul pretty regularly.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: Steve Wood on August 13 2017, 09:50:26 AM
What do the O2s show when you hold the button down?
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: Scoobum on August 13 2017, 10:49:50 AM
Rich, I heard they have to be rebuilt fairly frequently as well.

Steve, I'll check that today and post back.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: Scoobum on August 13 2017, 10:56:05 AM
I'll likely sell this alky setup when I find out what's wrong with it...and get what I can out of it. Plan is to get a 94 street chip from Eric with 20 lbs of fuel in it.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: Steve Wood on August 13 2017, 10:57:12 AM
The one I put on the T can be barely felt with regard to bog, but, the O2s go way up in the 800's and I have no knock under boost.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: Scoobum on August 13 2017, 10:59:55 AM
The one I put on the T can be barely felt with regard to bog, but, the O2s go way up in the 800's and I have no knock under boost.

I'll throw the laptop in it and check 02's via PL.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: blown1 on August 26 2017, 12:13:46 PM
it also depends on where you have the gain, or  amount setting , on the controller,
mine makes little difference  in rpm when I test it,
never checked the 02, thanks for the tip!
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: ss/gn on August 27 2017, 08:02:34 AM
If you sell it I will buy it :D I am starting to keep an inventory and that would be a good addition. I am going to get the test kit for mine over the winter from Julio
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: Scoobum on August 27 2017, 09:02:07 AM
If you sell it I will buy it :D I am starting to keep an inventory and that would be a good addition. I am going to get the test kit for mine over the winter from Julio


I'll let you know when I take it out of the car.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: Just a Six? on August 27 2017, 11:27:47 AM
I have my alky kit settings at stock & if I hit the test button in Drive at a stop light it will almost stall out. The car runs on the rich side to begin with so that may be a factor?
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: gusszgs on August 27 2017, 07:37:15 PM
I have my alky kit settings at stock & if I hit the test button in Drive at a stop light it will almost stall out. The car runs on the rich side to begin with so that may be a factor?


Normal......I've Julio's kit on my car since 08. 1 pump so far, and have a fresh one on shelf. Prob is, they begin to leak and it's sometimes tricky to pick up if your a straight meth runner like myself. Evaps real quick, if you see the take level dropping more than usual, its probably leaking slowly. Something going on if it doesn't wanna snuff out at idle after 2-3 quick hits on the test button.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: Scoobum on August 28 2017, 08:41:55 AM
Whether is was the SMC kits I used in the past or Razors, when the test button was hit it would pretty much drown the engine out. As per Steves request I checked the 02's and they didn't change...so the pump is fukd...or not getting voltage...whic h I need to check. I went to race gas as I just don't trust these kits. If E85 ever becomes readily available up here I'll run it. I do a ton of reading on the E85 forum on the other board. It's the way to fly.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: Steve Wood on August 28 2017, 03:11:41 PM
Yup, it ain't spraying or something is wrong with the wiring/controllers, etc.

E85 looks pretty neat if you can get it.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: reality on August 28 2017, 04:33:57 PM
Make your own . YOU can control the quality and get it up to e98, I don't believe it's illegal to own a still but it is illegal to sell what you manufacture.


Also Brad; you should ask about it where you buy your race gas.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: earlbrown on August 28 2017, 06:23:25 PM
If E85 ever becomes readily available up here I'll run it. I do a ton of reading on the E85 forum on the other board. It's the way to fly.

What's your laws up there concerning the distillation of ethanol?  Since you don't have our IRS I'm guessing you're waaaaaaaaay ahead of the game.


The real trick with running on party likker is to keep gasoline the hell out of it. Down here that's not an option. The IRS insists that anything distilled has to be poisned so that if you drink untaxed liquor, they need you to die.

Having to be forced to add at least 2 percent denaturant really fucks up the output.  Every thing on the ATFE's list requires all the water to be removed from the hooch to avoid fallout from seperation.  Having to remove all the water drives the heating costs through the roof, lowers the net gallons of fuel per gallon of mash and makes the end result substandard.

There's one farm loophole here that says if you fill up on the same lot as your fuel still, you don't have to poison it.  That means you can make fuel that has built in water injection.

 Just think of how much boost you could make with high octane fuel that's 20 30 or 40 percent water.  Not to mention the additional steam power after the gas as blew it's wad.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: Scoobum on August 28 2017, 07:10:56 PM
Earl, I honestly don't know. Last time I did a search E85 was available at 2 stations in Ottawa...3 hours away...and 1 in Guelph...2 hours away. Those were the only 2 in Ontario here I could find. Likely have laws up the wazoo why it's widely unavailable up here. Not sure of the other provinces. I'm not holding my breath on us getting it anytime soon.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: Scoobum on August 28 2017, 09:07:57 PM
Make your own . YOU can control the quality and get it up to e98, I don't believe it's illegal to own a still but it is illegal to sell what you manufacture.


Also Brad; you should ask about it where you buy your race gas.

Ron, I pick up my race gas on the reserve beside the track...no tax. All they have is 109, 112 and 116. Beggars can't be choosers. Karbelt in Pickering might be able to hook a person up with it...but it's nowhere near me. Same as nitrous. I think Kingston is the closest place to me to get it.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: earlbrown on August 28 2017, 10:04:50 PM
Earl, I honestly don't know. Last time I did a search E85 was available at 2 stations in Ottawa...3 hours away..

I wasn't talking about buying E85, I was talking about making your own party likker right there at the house. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqw3I3OF2YU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqw3I3OF2YU)
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: Scoobum on August 28 2017, 10:17:59 PM
Like everything else in this country...prol ly illegal. If it's fun...it's illegal up here.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: reality on August 28 2017, 10:48:53 PM
I wasn't talking about e85 either. may need somebody with a '[card]


Corn has been used as RACE fuel since at least the 50's.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: Scoobum on August 29 2017, 08:50:04 AM
I wasn't talking about e85 either. may need somebody with a '[card]


Corn has been used as RACE fuel since at least the 50's.

SMP is on the reserve. If it was available, I'd know about it.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: aminga on August 29 2017, 09:27:06 AM
If you really want to check the pump you need a pressure gauge.  It should go past 150 PSI pretty easily. 
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: gusszgs on August 29 2017, 07:36:58 PM
Anyone have any luck running an alky mix (with water)? I've always had great luck running straight meth ONLY is my Razor's kit, and what Julio recommended.
Got into it with a guy saying I'd be better off with a mix 50/50. I'm still running the factory head seal@ 190k, so I really didn't put a lot of merit to what was pushing.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: TexasT on August 29 2017, 08:14:34 PM
He hasn't a clue. Diluting the meth isn't helping you any imo. But what works in his car doesn't mean it will work in yours.

But arguing with him is like wrastlin with a pig in the mud. After a bit you realize the pig is enjoying it.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: Steve Wood on August 29 2017, 09:22:19 PM
running straight meth provides fuel/higher octane along with the base chemical intercooling effect.  You give that up with 50-50...the octane/fueling.  I have seen a couple of cars runs tens with a bad fuel pump without knocking.  Try that on 50-50
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: aminga on September 03 2017, 01:04:00 PM
Running a mix won't hurt as long as you're tuned for it.  But like steve says you give up part of the benefits.
Title: Re: Razor Alky Pump-How To Check?
Post by: gusszgs on September 03 2017, 08:54:25 PM
Thanks all..........I'll stick with whats working for me and that's straight Meth.
SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2024, SimplePortal