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Tech Area => General Buick Tech => Topic started by: RightyTighty on May 31 2017, 07:50:22 PM
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So I guess I'm just doing a frame up restoration minus messing with my dash because it's perfect and I'm just not going there.
Where is Gary Wells and his opinions when I need him?
I want to roll my fenders but I'm worried. No mods have been done to the body other than the rear seat braces. I don't know if I should do it or not.
Opinions?
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Why?
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Do you like the look of a wide tire? If so roll the fender. Heck, notch the frame. No wait, tub that bitch.
Personally I think there is no need for a tire wide enough that requires the fender to be rolled. I just don't like the looks unless it's on a wagon
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How much tire you planning on trying to stuff in there? I've run a my 28x9 slick without mods. How much more "traction" will you be needing?
The title is restoration, that car came from the factory with a 215/65-15 Goodyear on it
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Why what steve? Seeking Garys opinion? He's anal when it comes to stuff like rolling fenders. Why am I restoring the top half. Because I want to surprise nosey people. Why do I want want to roll my fenders. Because I like running 275's.
I planning on going back to Cooper Cobra rwl. 225 in front 275 in back. Tub....hell naw :rofl: I'd cry. I'm having a hard enough time trying to pull the trigger on rolling the fenders. Frame notch may maybe maybe in maybe in the future, imho, it makes the car better if done properly.
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Was referring to fender rolling. Should not be needed unless you run wheels with the wrong offset
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Put on a 255/60-15. They fit well and don't need the fenders rolled.
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I have ten inch wide stock style rims on the back. Can't remember the offset.. 275/50r15 MT drag radials are cut up and fender trim is is a little distorted where you'd roll the fender. I really think the trim is too wide because it does stick out an eighth inch (or so) past the fender lip.
I've never had 275/60 Coopers back there. 255s are an idea I didn't know they made that size. I'm thinking the 275/60 coopers would be a tighter fit needing to roll.
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I ran em in the stock 7"wheels. Not sure with a 10" wheel. That trim might need a "haircut".
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Personally I think there is no need for a tire wide enough that requires the fender to be rolled. I just don't like the looks unless it's on a wagon
LOL - so the 345s work for you, eh? I cannot wait to put 390s on the back of the Monte. ;)
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I doubt it matters much on car value, but, like Jason, I prefer non rolled.
From a traction standpoint going down the strip, the length of the tire foot print is more significant than the width of the footprint at the same sidewall height when comparing adjacent tire sizes in many cases. That's the reason we see a lot of guys with 255 drag radials pulling such good short times. They also mph better.
I think most of us go for 275s for looks because we think they make the car look badazz. Okay, to a certain degree, they do! LOL
If I were to do it today, I would go for 255's, I think.
In your case, with 10" wheels, you probably need to go 275's to get the tire to fit to the wheel width. 10" wheels may be a bit over the tire specs but Cooper does not seem to offer much guidance. Nitto shows 9.5" max for their drag radials. That means rolling the lips.
Otherwise, you need 8" wheels and your choice of 275's or 255's.
You"re kinda in no man's land. typical hot rodding.
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Steve, if we wanted cars for their mechanical (just enough) perfection we'd all be rocking Miatas. ;)
Muscle cars are about needless excess and drastic over-compensation. :D
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Did you miss the part about rolling vs non rolling the fender lips?
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Not sure if I am following - I miss a lot of things.
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the topic referenced should the OP roll his fender lips or not...
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Yes, always roll them or cut them out and weld in a 1/8" rod along the seams.
Pardon the pre-Summer tangent.
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Great info guys thank you. I'm still unsure what I'm going to do now since new ideas came about. I'm leaning to the side that it will be ok to roll the fenders (gulp). I like 'em fat back there. I'm not going to do much drag racing so I'm thinking a wider footprint is fine. Ahh, can't wait to go back to rwl coopers.
Keep opinions comming.....
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Everything you ever wanted to know about tires/rims for our cars...and you don't need to roll the fender lips. Any further questions, ask. I've run everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWP-7sht2WU&list=UUx5FoeyV2MovRUIlqWOdBag&index=16 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWP-7sht2WU&list=UUx5FoeyV2MovRUIlqWOdBag&index=16)
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Personally I think there is no need for a tire wide enough that requires the fender to be rolled. I just don't like the looks unless it's on a wagon
LOL - so the 345s work for you, eh? I cannot wait to put 390s on the back of the Monte. ;)
I like that the wagon has more metal back there to fill out the stance
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I planning on going back to Cooper Cobra rwl. 225 in front 275 in back. Tub....hell naw :rofl: I'd cry. I'm having a hard enough time trying to pull the trigger on rolling the fenders. Frame notch may maybe maybe in maybe in the future, imho, it makes the car better if done properly.
I run 295 Cobras with non rolled lips. They do kiss the outside tread area when doing my Dukes of Hazzard impression.
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Thank you scoobum. I think I'm settling on buying some 8 inch rims with four inch back spacing. I can't remember so I don't want to say but I believe the backspacing on the 10 inch rims was 4.5.
Looks like cooper has expanded their cobra tire line. I swear they only sold 225 and 245 back in the day. Earl says 295? Damn son!
If i trim Trim the trim it looks like I won't have a problem with 275 coopers on an 8" rim. Soon I'll be measuring the BS on my current rims. Like I said, I think it's 4.5, that could be my whole problem.
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it's some what dependent upon the particular tire (all brands do not have the same dimensions for the same tires), but I have generally been able to run 275's on 8" 4" b.s. wheels without any rolling/triming
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Thanks Steve for making me feel even better about my direction.
275/60r15 on 8" rims with 4" backspacing for the rear.
I should be golden.
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So were the goose's eggs.... :D
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Several of the aftermarket rim manufacturers offer only 3.5 and 4.5 backspaces in an 8 inch wide rim.
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Centerline
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Stock look only, no exceptions. I'll roll my fen....I'll tub that bitch before I change rims.
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You can buy the stock appearing wheel in an 8"
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Centerline? Looking now.
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I have two types of Centerlines on my cars. the first pair I bought were Autodrag IIIs that i put on the back of my GN. The second were a mag style (think they were from the Centerline Legend series) that I put four on my son's T. I put 7's on the front and 8's on the rear.
Centerline catalog seems to be down online at the moment. Here's a link to Summit of the aluminum wheels they have that fit the criteria. They list only one type of centerline but Centerline has more. https://www.summitracing.com/oh/search/part-type/wheels/wheel-material/aluminum?N=4294920795%2B4294920825%2B4294920837%2B4294947557%2B4294920860%2B4294920367&SortBy=Default&SortOrder=Ascending&retaillocation=oh (https://www.summitracing.com/oh/search/part-type/wheels/wheel-material/aluminum?N=4294920795%2B4294920825%2B4294920837%2B4294947557%2B4294920860%2B4294920367&SortBy=Default&SortOrder=Ascending&retaillocation=oh)
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I'm looking at these 15x8 4"backspacing.
http://www.highwaystars.net/wheel-15-inch-15x8-alloy-aluminum-wheel-rim-for-1986-1987-buick-regal-grand-national-oe-style/ (http://www.highwaystars.net/wheel-15-inch-15x8-alloy-aluminum-wheel-rim-for-1986-1987-buick-regal-grand-national-oe-style/)
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https://www.turbobuick.com/threads/new-gn-repo-aluminum-wheels-and-tires-installed.451073/ (https://www.turbobuick.com/threads/new-gn-repo-aluminum-wheels-and-tires-installed.451073/)
This guy I running some GN look alikes widened to 8" on the rear. I didn't read far enough to see if he rolled the lips, but he is running 275.
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I'm looking at these 15x8 4"backspacing.
http://www.highwaystars.net/wheel-15-inch-15x8-alloy-aluminum-wheel-rim-for-1986-1987-buick-regal-grand-national-oe-style/ (http://www.highwaystars.net/wheel-15-inch-15x8-alloy-aluminum-wheel-rim-for-1986-1987-buick-regal-grand-national-oe-style/)
Yep, those are the ones I mentioned a few posts up. Pretty neat if you like the factory look. They will fool a lot of people
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Thank you for that link, I would have never seen it. Texast
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Steve the only thing I don't like is the redesigned centercap. Oh well can't have everything my way. I know it's for the best.
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Anyone know if they're the same ones as GBODY sells.
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Huh... 15x10s, eh?
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Brad, Judging by the part number shown (CCIGBPGNAL158), I'd say yes they are the exact same wheel that gbody parts is offering.
I would guess that the GBP in the above part number would probably stand for GBodyParts. If you go to Brian's website he gives a little info on these wheels and the fact that they are made by CCI (which coincidentally these letters are also contained in the part number on Highway Stars website). So who knows if Brian is supplying these directly to Highway Stars & other vendors or if others vendors are buying directly from CCI (the wheel mfg).
http://www.gbodyparts.com/product_info.php?cPath=46_317&products_id=3132&osCsid=04a81297de506acdbfe361c7f51389fe (http://www.gbodyparts.com/product_info.php?cPath=46_317&products_id=3132&osCsid=04a81297de506acdbfe361c7f51389fe)
Dave
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CCI is a LQK company just like Goodmark etc. Toby has proven to be a great friend to the Buick owner.
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Starting to think these would look neat on the Monte.
(http://www.gbodyparts.com/images/galvan%20rims.jpg?osCsid=04a81297de506acdbfe361c7f51389fe)
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Starting to think these would look neat on the Monte.
your already a dick.....go ahead.
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(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/59/59ae035732c9f8a13cfb70d5cdfde659c99f2009c912d719e4242393c6146cb2.jpg)
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LOL - wut?
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lol, just pickin'. :rofl:
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Not that I mind being called a dick, asshole, egotistical bastard, etc. - I just normally like to know what I did (other than just being myself). Ironically, I was reading through some very old posts on TBS.com while looking for some information and came across a lot of heated verbal battles with Steve and friends.
Damn know-it-all young people!
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Looks like cooper has expanded their cobra tire line. I swear they only sold 225 and 245 back in the day. Earl says 295? Damn son!
My 295 Cobras are damn near the exact width as my old 275 radial T/A's. The tread itself is a lot wider but the actual tire width is the same. I'm running factory wheels that were widened and given an extra 1/4BS over stock with alum drums. I've never verified the BS but if Jim did what I asked for the centerline of my rim should have moved outward 1/4" plus the extra 1/8" for the drums totaling 3/8" to the outside.
...just a hair under 2.5 beer can's per tire.(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10450628_10203696484474645_3911699734562803378_n.jpg?oh=5a4b04e437d35c149837b7d986510475&oe=59E977FE)
You might want to look at the tire rack's (or whoever lists actual dimensions) website and compare the 275's you're looking at to what you actually have now.
The really cool thing about the Cobra's is they are audible when spinning in the rain. I dove my GN to the post orifice earlier and it sounding like I was killing basset hounds running 60 while a little bit sideways. :D
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Boooy you can dish it......what you said wrong was that GN wheels would look neat on the monty. You shoulda seen my stink face when I read that. Then I was like fuck it, he's already a dick, bolt them bitches on then. Just don't be sensitive and take it seriously, your not always a dick...just sometimes.
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7 days a week
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7 days a week
:rofl:
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Oh, and since this thread is over anyways seeing the OP fullfilled his needs...
Ahh the fun days...it was mostly trash talking. That's it. I always picked my arguments carefully with SW. The guys unbeatable, Zap too, lol. What makes it awesome are the PMs that were sent between parties involved. It's looks worse than it really was, I don't think im not cool with any of the old guys. Hey, could you find the post where SW said I fucked sheep AND my follow up post of my "sheep". Steve, remember that? lol
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7 days a week
:rofl:
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7 days a week
:rofl:
With regard to your signature, if you have to tell people that something is cool, then it is definitely not cool.
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So your saying your not cool?
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Boooy you can dish it......what you said wrong was that GN wheels would look neat on the monty. You shoulda seen my stink face when I read that. Then I was like fuck it, he's already a dick, bolt them bitches on then. Just don't be sensitive and take it seriously, your not always a dick...just sometimes.
I just think the reverse mount deep dish turbine wheels look great. After all, there is still a chance that the Monte could have a turbo V6 in it (an LFX). But, yes a black Monte Carlo with GN wheels just adds to the confusion.
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Your gunna catch heat putting a v6 in it, 9 people outta 10 are going to be like "blah v8 bla bla 350".
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Treefiddy with four boat mains. You know , vette motor.
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So your saying your not cool?
What happened? Earl threaten to release the failed porno flick where you failed to rise to the occasion?
BTW, Earl runs Mini-Coopers under the rear end of his car not those peanut hydro-planing donuts that you want to run. :068: :068: :068:
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Your gunna catch heat putting a v6 in it, 9 people outta 10 are going to be like "blah v8 bla bla 350".
I am dreading the possibility of going to the local car show tonight with the wagon, and the "fun" questions which will follow:
Who built this?
Can you build me one?
What is it?
How much did it cost you?
Who tuned it?
Will you tune mine?
Can I have your babies?
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Lol Steve you cought me. The only reason I failed to rise is cuz I had to go to work. $ over (/).
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Your gunna catch heat putting a v6 in it, 9 people outta 10 are going to be like "blah v8 bla bla 350".
I am dreading the possibility of going to the local car show tonight with the wagon, and the "fun" questions which will follow:
Who built this?
Can you build me one?
What is it?
How much did it cost you?
Who tuned it?
Will you tune mine?
Can I have your babies?
You can safely hold your breath for this to happen
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Steve:2 Mike:0
One foolish woman falls for his bad boy act and he thinks he's george clooney :)
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He paints her toe nails every morning
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Right after he does his, I'm sure of it.
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Great picture. On my way to compare tire dimensions now. BTW I have the 275 mikey Thompson drag radials.
Looks like cooper has expanded their cobra tire line. I swear they only sold 225 and 245 back in the day. Earl says 295? Damn son!
My 295 Cobras are damn near the exact width as my old 275 radial T/A's. The tread itself is a lot wider but the actual tire width is the same. I'm running factory wheels that were widened and given an extra 1/4BS over stock with alum drums. I've never verified the BS but if Jim did what I asked for the centerline of my rim should have moved outward 1/4" plus the extra 1/8" for the drums totaling 3/8" to the outside.
...just a hair under 2.5 beer can's per tire.(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10450628_10203696484474645_3911699734562803378_n.jpg?oh=5a4b04e437d35c149837b7d986510475&oe=59E977FE)
You might want to look at the tire rack's (or whoever lists actual dimensions) website and compare the 275's you're looking at to what you actually have now.
The really cool thing about the Cobra's is they are audible when spinning in the rain. I dove my GN to the post orifice earlier and it sounding like I was killing basset hounds running 60 while a little bit sideways. :D