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Title: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: motorhead on October 29 2022, 12:21:08 AM
I can just taste the agony...

Spoiler alert: it needs a LS-swap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipc5gcRsU-w

Enjoy!
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: Steve Wood on October 29 2022, 02:32:49 PM
Just had to leave a knife behind to mark your place! Nice to see you have not lost your touch :cheers:
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: reality on October 29 2022, 06:45:37 PM
What does the hello kitty run? If you don't mind me asking.
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: nocooler on October 29 2022, 09:07:03 PM
I haven't had the hour to watch it yet - but I'm sure it'll be entertaining!
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: motorhead on October 29 2022, 09:53:50 PM
Just had to leave a knife behind to mark your place! Nice to see you have not lost your touch :cheers:

Thing is I was on a total trip down nostalgia street watching this.  Everything from the sound of the starter (which is the right sound), to the cold idle settle down, to the nightmare fight with the PowerBastard, and all the trouble shooting... had me tripping balls back to half a lifetime ago.  While it is hard to stomach some of the challenges with the age of these cars and their now very rare parts there is no justification to pull the turbo V6 for anything else. Especially not a LS - that time has passed. The dig was definitely tongue in cheek.
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: motorhead on October 29 2022, 10:12:20 PM
What does the hello kitty run? If you don't mind me asking.

11.4 @ 127mph w/1.7 60'. It is a manual trans car (which tend to lose a second over the auto cars) with a 30 shot of nitrous, meth injection, and a lot of custom lightweight parts.

More details:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci_c9M5j0lB/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Full build is here:
https://gbodyforum.com/threads/2019-challenger-widebooty-hellkitty-shes-giving-me-the-meatsweats.75077/

My goal is to run consistent 10.9s on the stock tune.
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: Steve Wood on October 30 2022, 09:47:50 AM
Nothing wrong with some tongue in the cheek!  Personalities are what  make the car hobby interesting :cheers:

I agree, modern autotrannies are almost cvts these days and it takes some real driving to do as well as you are doing with the Kitty.  It is definitely laying down some power. More power to you!
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: nocooler on October 30 2022, 10:13:55 AM
Sounds like the kitty is a decent 60' away from a 10 second pass.
How is the Monte coming? Is it running 9s yet?
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: reality on October 30 2022, 12:53:18 PM
  SK, Watcha doing there?
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: motorhead on October 31 2022, 11:22:56 AM
Nothing wrong with some tongue in the cheek!  Personalities are what  make the car hobby interesting :cheers:

I agree, modern autotrannies are almost cvts these days and it takes some real driving to do as well as you are doing with the Kitty.  It is definitely laying down some power. More power to you!

The ZF A8 is a special transmission. I'd love to adapt it to another platform - just need a standalone controller for it (maybe Holley can do it?).

I am definitely pushing a rope up a hill with the M6, and damn do the other HC owners love to remind me of it. Trading off that "second" in ET quickly fades the other 99.999% of the time I am driving the car.  The manual transmission is an experience in any car, behind 700+hp it is a pucker-factor inducing rollercoaster.  It the difference between driving and piloting a car in this day and age with all the nannies.
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: motorhead on October 31 2022, 11:53:09 AM
Sounds like the kitty is a decent 60' away from a 10 second pass.
How is the Monte coming? Is it running 9s yet?


At sea level it "could" have run an 11.0 @ 131mph. But, converting timeslips is kinda lame, IMO. So we're going to go for legit 10.9s at elevation in the thin air I am now battling in Saskatchewan.

The Monte is slow rolling toward a goal (race car vs. street car). Finally got the car back together and running in 2021, and looking a bit better this past summer until I blew it up with a boost spike after a WG spring change. Long story short ring gap was too tight - I wish it was knock.  So I nuked a perfectly good 5.3L that was destined for Natasha's Camaro. D'oh.

Autopsy is here: https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci5rm0eOgy_/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I have a "built", and ring gap confirmed, 4.8L ready to drop in. I am currently converter shopping (leaning FTI 200-4R 4000rpm triple disc) to make the most of it and managing RPM drop to prevent another rapid onset rod bending cylinder pressure issue. Going with a huge 25x12x4.5 FMIC to control IATs over the previous non-intercooled version and a whole new hot side with a slightly upgraded turbo in this next iteration.

The build thread stops here a few months ago: https://gbodyforum.com/threads/copo-monte-carlo-ss-turbosaurus-build-swinging-dick-racings-c-ck-got-bent-she-bounced-a-little-too-high-hard-came-down-awkwardly.61336/ I am likely going to pick it up again on LS1Tech.
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: motorhead on October 31 2022, 12:04:04 PM
  SK, Watcha doing there?

To put it politely Ontario "progressed" way too far for our comfort. Their pandemic response severely impacted our kids, particularly the move to online learning and the fearful return to classes.  Saskatchewan keep kids in school throughout, and we couldn't risk doing any more damage to the girls' future so we packed up and left. We decided to go on 7 Aug 2021, and were in place just 9 weeks later. That was everything from getting the house on the market, selling it, packing everything up (including a loaded transport for the cars), buying the new place (sight unseen), and unloading. It was quiet the production, but the girls missed very little of the school year and love it here. There is a lot more to unpack.

But, in so many words, it boils down to: Faith (shared community values), Family (our only family that didn't become estranged due to COVID were here waiting), and Freedom (Ontari-nope is out of control, SK is a no-nonsense province (a slightly more Northern version of Montana)).

I am currently working remotely back to Ottawa, but looking to get out of the Army. Even running in a municipal election as a councilor at the moment. Who knows where this will take us...?
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: nocooler on October 31 2022, 12:59:27 PM
Get a converter spec'd for the combo, the PTC 9.5 I have drives amazing and stalls 5200-5400 at this power level. Knowing what I know now - I'd go looser keep the engine away from peak torque and it'll be happy. My ls1 is ungapped but runs on e85, 9.9@137 on 14psi. I've got some bigger injectors on the way so I can turn the boost up next year.

Sounds like you made a positive move for your family, good for you!
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: Steve Wood on October 31 2022, 01:03:08 PM
Believe he stated it is a manual tranny :)
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: nocooler on October 31 2022, 01:10:21 PM
Believe he stated it is a manual tranny :)
The other car Steve - his turbo ls monte
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: motorhead on October 31 2022, 01:23:53 PM
Believe he stated it is a manual tranny :)
The other car Steve - his turbo ls monte

It's okay. I can't keep them all straight either.

I'll look into the PTC as well.  I know FTI will make whatever stall speed you desire.  I have a billet FTI triple disc behind the 80E (3800 stall) in the wagon and it drives great with its HCI combo.
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: Just a Six? on October 31 2022, 01:32:46 PM
Hey Mike, good to see you're doing well out there. I'm up in Uxbridge now & really can't compare it to Toronto.
I just watched this guys MT tv show with a Mustang & you post this up so thanks for the link I now have many viewing hours ahead of me!  :cheers:
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: motorhead on October 31 2022, 02:32:52 PM
Hey Mike, good to see you're doing well out there. I'm up in Uxbridge now & really can't compare it to Toronto.
I just watched this guys MT tv show with a Mustang & you post this up so thanks for the link I now have many viewing hours ahead of me!  :cheers:


The further you move from cities the more perspective you gain. Unfortunately, we couldn't handle Ontario's direction any longer.  Hope Uxbridge has been warm and welcoming.  VGG's early episodes (with really low production quality) are the best, IMO. Derek is a pretty genuine guy, his wife (Jessica) is special too.
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: Steve Wood on October 31 2022, 05:19:05 PM
well, mark me down for another doh!
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: Just a Six? on November 01 2022, 03:59:13 PM
Well after watching the GTO episode I kept thinking where have I heard that kind of gooderer talk & he sounds just like Our Canadian Hero Mr. Red Green   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJt2dnRQXmM&ab_channel=RedGreenTV
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: nocooler on November 01 2022, 07:02:38 PM
I struggled through 45 minutes of it - I just can't do it. I don't dislike Derek, but the video is paced way too slowly for me.
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: motorhead on November 02 2022, 12:09:54 AM
Well after watching the GTO episode I kept thinking where have I heard that kind of gooderer talk & he sounds just like Our Canadian Hero Mr. Red Green   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJt2dnRQXmM&ab_channel=RedGreenTV

Well he's from the Minnesota area so it's not hard to believe there's some similarities in mannerisms and delivery.
Title: Re: VGG: '86 GN Revival
Post by: motorhead on November 02 2022, 12:13:16 AM
I struggled through 45 minutes of it - I just can't do it. I don't dislike Derek, but the video is paced way too slowly for me.

Yep, it's an acquired taste for sure. His long form videos got me through long days at home between 2020 and 2021... so I am pretty conditioned now.
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